'These are supposed to be your friends': Another ex-player describes 'constant abuse' by Sarnia teammates

Former NHL prospect Ryan Munce is the second member of the 2002-03 Sarnia Sting junior team to come forward this week with allegations of bullying and abuse by older teammates.

Former OHL goalie says he also witnessed hazing of ex-teammate Daniel Carcillo, fellow rookies

Ryan Munce, 33, says he endured abuse from older teammates during his 2002-03 rookie season with the Sarnia Sting that took an emotional toll on him. (Claus Andersen/Getty Images)

Ryan Munce will never forget his 2002-03 rookie season in the Ontario Hockey League, standing tall in the Sarnia Sting net for 27 regular-season games as a backup to No. 1 goalie Robert Gherson.

He remembers, as a 17-year-old, posting a stellar 2.64 goals-against average, three shutouts and .916 save percentage. He also remembers enduring what he describes as acts of abuse, and witnessing those against his teammates, by older players of the junior team. 

In an interview with CBC News on Tuesday, Munce spoke of being spanked and hit over the head with the paddle of his goalie stick in the Sting dressing room, while fellow rookies were strapped to a table and beaten with belts and other items.

"I had more suicidal thoughts than anything else," he told reporter Ioanna Roumeliotis for The National. "These are supposed to be your friends; they're kind of your family."

Watch Ryan Munce detail abuse he alleges he suffered in junior hockey:

Daniel Carcillo's former teammate echoes hazing abuse allegations

4 years ago
Duration 3:12
In an exclusive interview to CBC News, former Sarnia Sting goaltender Ryan Munce details the abuse he suffered while playing junior hockey.

Munce's comments follow those of former Sting teammate Daniel Carcillo, who detailed his hazing experiences with the club in a 15-post narrative on Twitter last weekend in the wake of the recent assault and sexual assault allegations at St. Michael's College School in Toronto.

Flung around by the hair

Munce, now 33, said he witnessed some of the abuse perpetrated on Carcillo.

Munce recalled that Carcillo had long hair back then, and would share gum with his teammates before games. He said one time Carcillo was flung around by his hair in full hockey gear by a teammate who sought more gum and then stole his.

"There was a lot of incidents that were kind of next-level," said Munce.

Other alleged incidents included:

  • A Jewish teammate being brought to tears by a teammate posing as Adolf Hitler.
  • A player being forced to put his penis in RUB A535, the muscle and joint heat cream.

Munce said he's glad Carcillo came forward — in stark contrast to their teenage years, when players in the "hockey community" were supposed to keep quiet.

Watch ex-NHLer Daniel Carcillo explain the loneliness of abuse:

Graphic Content: Ex-NHL'er Daniel Carcillo explains why he had 'nobody to turn to'

4 years ago
Duration 0:51
The two-time Stanley Cup champion discusses the hazing incident he remembers most vividly, when he says one of his OHL coaches took part in whipping a teammate with a belt.
Earlier this week, Carcillo talked about being beaten with the sawed-off paddle of a goalie stick.

"The whole paddling thing kind of started with me," said Munce, who operates New Age Goaltending, a school for beginner to advanced goalies, in Burlington, Ont.

Munce said a Sting teammate approached his dressing stall and told the six-foot, 150-pound puck-stopper to bend over his knee. He spanked Munce "like a kid" and then beat him and other teammates with a sawed-off paddle. 

Munce was drafted to the NHL by the Los Angeles Kings in 2003 but never played a game. He toiled in minor pro hockey before retiring in 2012. (Noah Graham/Getty Images)

Hid behind couch

"If you flinched," he said, "they got to do it again. This was before and after games."

Munce added he was beaten with the same paddle at the rookie party because he wasn't drinking alcohol, and spent the remainder of the night hiding from the veteran players behind a couch.

Munce said he and Carcillo would often discuss the abuse at the latter's billet home, breaking down in front of each other, and later shared their experiences with teammates of Canada's under-18 squad.

Watch Carcillo speak out about alleged abuse:

Carcillo recalls hazing incidents

4 years ago
Duration 1:29
Daniel Carcillo talks about some of the alleged abuse he experienced as a member of the Sarnia Sting.

"Constant abuse day in, day out," said Munce, who was drafted by the Los Angeles Kings in 2003 but never played a game in the NHL. He spent two more seasons in Sarnia before embarking on a six-year journey through the minor pro ranks that included 13 games in the American Hockey League ahead of retirement in 2012.

Former teammates Charles Amodeo and Dave Pszenyczny also corroborated the stories of abuse.

"It just ruined me emotionally," Amodeo told The National in an interview Wednesday. "They're calling you every name in the book. Just really degrading who you are. And there was no justification behind it. It was a power trip.

"And if you said something, you opened your mouth, if you complained — you're pretty much on the next bus ride home."

Carcillo's teammate Charles Amodeo on alleged abuse: 'It ruined me emotionally':

Carcillo teammate Charles Amodeo on alleged abuse: 'It ruined me emotionally'

4 years ago
Duration 0:39
Former Sarnia Sting player Charles Amodeo discusses the alleged abuse he endured while playing in the OHL.

Pszenyczny said the alleged abuse was not addressed while he was with the organization.

"Looking back on it, there were things that were brought to light to certain people and it just never got handled. It just got swept under the rug," Pszenyczny told the Hockey Night in Canada podcast on Wednesday. 

"There's a code where whatever happens in a room, stays in a room. But this went beyond the locker room. This was going on in the bus, it was going on at parties. It was just everywhere. It wasn't just a one-day thing. It was a daily thing." 

Carcillo told The Canadian Press on Monday that Jeff Perry, Sarnia's head coach in 2002-03, was aware of the alleged treatment that he and other rookies were subjected to by their veteran teammates. Perry refuted that to Blackburn News in Sarnia on Tuesday.

Former Sting head coach Jeff Perry says he was unaware of alleged abuse of rookie players by their older teammates during the 2002-03 OHL season. (The Sarnia Observer)

"There are certain areas of a dressing room that we don't monitor," said the 47-year-old Perry, who played in the OHL for Guelph and Owen Sound in the late 1980s.

"It's no different than riding the bus — I know people think you're on the bus, how could you not be aware of it? When you sit at the front of the bus, you've got movies on. Unless you've been in that situation, you [wouldn't] understand that they're easy things that you wouldn't be aware of if it wasn't brought to your attention."

A call to Perry by CBC Sports on Wednesday seeking further comment was not returned.

Hockey culture has changed, says ex-Sting coach

In an emailed statement to Blackburn News, the OHL said it has adopted a zero-tolerance approach to hazing, and has been implementing policies to prevent hazing or bullying for several years.

Perry, whom the Sting fired in late 2003 amid controversy over the benching of star players including Carcillo, said the culture nowadays in the OHL has changed.

"It doesn't make it right [what allegedly happened in 2002-03] but I think we're just so much more educated on harassment and bullying in general," he said. "They've done a great job doing the right thing.

"I have a teenage kid that just went through junior hockey, and I'm thankful that he doesn't have to share these same stories, because he didn't go through those situations."

But in a tweet on Thursday, Carcillo revealed Perry and others reached out to him and have "all taken accountability."


Doug Harrison has covered the professional and amateur scene as a senior writer for CBC Sports since 2003. Previously, the Burlington, Ont., native covered the NHL and other leagues for Faceoff.com. Follow the award-winning journalist @harrisoncbc

With files from the Canadian Press, Blackburn News


To encourage thoughtful and respectful conversations, first and last names will appear with each submission to CBC/Radio-Canada's online communities (except in children and youth-oriented communities). Pseudonyms will no longer be permitted.

By submitting a comment, you accept that CBC has the right to reproduce and publish that comment in whole or in part, in any manner CBC chooses. Please note that CBC does not endorse the opinions expressed in comments. Comments on this story are moderated according to our Submission Guidelines. Comments are welcome while open. We reserve the right to close comments at any time.

Become a CBC Member

Join the conversation  Create account

Already have an account?