Day 6

Negotiating with Aaron Driver: a reporter's account

Known to police and on a peace bond, this week the suspect in an alleged terror plot -- known ISIS supporter Aaron Driver -- was killed in a confrontation with police. In 2015, Toronto Star reporter Allan Woods negotiated an interview with him that lasted 2 hours. Woods tells Asha what struck him about Driver during that conversation, and how the young man he spoke with didn't seem capable of the plan he tried to execute this week.
Aaron Driver leaves the Law Courts in Winnipeg, Tuesday, February 2, 2016. (John Woods/Canadian Press)

Earlier this week, a young man in a balaclava appeared in a video, pledging allegiance to the Islamic State and vowing to spill the blood of Canadians. The so-called 'martyr video' was quickly picked up by the FBI and shared with the RCMP.

Police suspected an attack was coming but they didn't know where, when or the identity of the man in the mask. They also knew they didn't have much time to figure it out.

Hours later, 24-year-old Aaron Driver, was dead after a confrontation with police outside his sister's house in the small town of Strathroy, Ontario.

Driver was known to the authorities for supporting the Islamic State. Those connections got him arrested and placed under a peace bond last year.

It was those same connections that helped Toronto Star reporter Allan Woods find Driver online.     

As he tells Day 6 guest host Asha Tomlinson, tracking him down wasn't that hard.

Finding Aaron Driver

In early 2015, Woods was scouring the Internet, looking for someone connected to ISIS before they left for Syria, got arrested or got killed.

"I wanted to find out what was motivating these young people and why someone would choose life in a war zone over life in Canada," he says.

Essentially, he wanted to hear the other side of the story from someone who could tell it in their own voice and not simply put the pieces together from the remnants of abandoned social media accounts.

After some looking, he found Driver's alias, Harun Danyal, and worked backwards.

"It's actually an Arabic play on his first and middle names - Aaron Daniel. That name was easy to produce results in a Google search. It turned out he had a long and fairly elaborate Internet footprint," says Woods.

RCMP are seeking to limit the freedoms of Aaron Driver. (Facebook)

Woods sent a series of cryptic requests to talk but didn't expect a reply. He says he was shocked when Driver replied and seemed open to the idea.

"I didn't understand what the upside was for him but I think he is someone who wanted to be understood."

On the RCMP's radar

Woods negotiated an interview that lasted two hours and covered his conversion to Islam, his feelings towards ISIS and being on the RCMP's radar.

Woods remembers how Driver said he struggled to give up bacon. He also talked about the way he became known to Canadian authorities.

In December 2014, ISIS released a propaganda video featuring a young Canadian named John McGuire. In the video McGuire encouraged lone-wolf attacks including using cars as weapons and run people down.

"It was posted on a website and he [Aaron] retweeted it. Someone saw it and reported it and CSIS started poking around."

According to Woods, Driver said being discovered was liberating.

"He felt that he no longer had to try and hide or seek anonymity. In his eyes he wasn't committing any crime or advocating violence so he had nothing to hide. He said he was ready to go to prison for his beliefs."

"A drastic change"

Woods says the person he spoke to in February 2015 doesn't match the man in the video the RCMP played at their Thursday press conference.

"It didn't square at all with the guy I talked to 18 months ago. The rhetoric, the denunciation… it was very angry. It was a drastic change," he says.

In that conversation, Driver told Woods he felt the two lone-wolf attacks (on Parliament Hill and in St.-Jean-sur-Richelieu) were justified but Woods didn't get the impression that Driver was capable of organizing an attack of his own. 
"The rhetoric and the ISIS influence was already there but he wasn't an angry individual. He wasn't shouting or spouting the rote propaganda that ISIS is known for," he says. "Instead, he seemed measured and almost reasonable."

To hear guest host Asha Tomlinson's conversation with Allan Woods, hit the listen button at the top of the page.