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Why a seismologist tweeted the F-bomb after North Korea's nuclear test

Steven Gibbons, a seismologist in Norway who studies nuclear explosions, explains why North Korea's latest nuclear test is a cause for concern.
This undated file photo distributed on Sunday, Sept. 3, 2017, by the North Korean government, shows North Korean leader Kim Jong-n, second from right, at an undisclosed location in North Korea. (Korean Central News Agency via Associated Press)

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When seismologist Steven Gibbons awoke early Sunday morning to the news that North Korea has conducted its sixth and most powerful nuclear test, he sent out a two-word tweet.


"I think this has been interpreted as a sort of philanthropic and idealistic tweet in being absolutely terrified for the future of the world, and that's largely correct," Gibbons, who studies nuclear explosions for Norway's monitoring agency NORSAR told As It Happens host Carol Off. 

"But there was also a selfish element of 'my Sunday is now ruined' in it, and I don't know how many people have picked up on that point."

North Korea said in an announcement on state television that the test ordered by Leader Kim Jong-un was of an advanced hydrogen bomb for a long-range missile — also known as a thermonuclear device — and that it was a "perfect success."

We're talking about a horrifically destructive weapon here.- Steven Gibbons, NORSAR seismologist 

"They have claimed that before, in January 2016," Gibbons said. "But the seismic data didn't really support it."

In that case, he said, the detonation was actually smaller than the regime's nuclear testing from previous years.

But this time, he said, the evidence suggests North Korea is doing more than the usual sabre rattling.

"The numbers were very, very different. This was a much, much, much bigger explosion," he said. "And we realized what they're saying about having a new type of weapon is very probably the truth."

Ground motion is a great indicator of an underground nuclear test, and sometimes the only one. North Korea has proven itself adept at masking other telltale signs, such as the leakage of radioactive materials.

Thermonuclear devices can be lightweight and still produce tremendously high yields.

The device that was detonated on Sunday is believed to have a much bigger yield than anything the North has demonstrated — an estimated 100 to 150 kilotons, according to Gibbons

That's far more than the bombs that destroyed Hiroshima (15 kilotons) and Nagasaki (around 20).

While this doesn't definitively prove it's a hydrogen bomb, Gibbons said: "We're talking about a horrifically destructive weapon here."

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Whether North Korea can make a nuclear warhead small and light enough to put on top of a long-range missile that can reach the United States has long been a matter of heated debate among foreign experts.

North Korea's state media posted photos of Kim watching a shiny, peanut-shaped device it said was a hydrogen bomb designed to be mounted into the North's new "Hwasong-14" intercontinental ballistic missile.

However, there is no evidence as to whether the device pictured in the state propaganda is, indeed, the same device that was tested on Sunday.

"But the evidence is adding up that they have what they've been seeking," Gibbons said. 

"The only question mark now is, are the warheads able to be put in the missiles? And if they can, then it's a dangerous situation."

With files from Reuters. For more, listen to our conversation with Steve Gibbons:

Correction: An earlier version of this story called Steve Gibbons a "Norwegian seismologist." While he resides in Norway, he is not, in fact, Norwegian. 


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