Inside the meeting between Mohawk and Canada's Indigenous services minister

Canada's Indigenous Services Minister asked the Mohawk of Tyendinaga to temporarily halt a demonstration that has shut down one of Canada's most important rail corridors, a leaked recording of the meeting reveals. But a phone call from a Wet'suwet'en hereditary chief undercut the request.

Marc Miller asked Mohawk to temporarily stop demonstrations in Ontario and let trains through

A Mohawk Warrior flag flaps from the back of a dump truck facing the CN rail tracks. Traffic along one of Canada's most important rail corridors has stopped, and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has cancelled a trip to Barbados in light of the issue. (Martin Trainor/CBC)

Indigenous Services Minister Marc Miller asked the Mohawk of Tyendinaga to temporarily halt a demonstration that has shut down one of Canada's most important rail corridors and allow trains through, a leaked recording of the closed-door meeting reveals.

But a phone call from a Wet'suwet'en hereditary chief undercut that request, according to the recording.

The phone call came in the middle of a Saturday meeting between Miller and representatives from Tyendinaga, along with other Mohawk communities, as he sought to find a resolution.

The Mohawk have vowed to keep the railways shut until the RCMP left Wet'suwet'en territory, which faced a multi-day raid by Mounties earlier this month. 

The demonstrations have had a wide impact. VIA Rail has cancelled passenger traffic, CN Rail has issued temporary layoff notices, and on Sunday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau cancelled an international trip, citing "infrastructure disruptions."

In the midst of Saturday's meeting, Wet'suwet'en hereditary Chief Woos, who also goes by the name of Frank Alec, was patched through on a speaker phone. He told the room that the RCMP was still on his territory. 

"I would suggest to you loud and clear that we want the RCMP out of Gidimt'en territory," said Woos. An audio recording of part of the meeting was leaked to CBC News by a source who attended. 

Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory sits about 240 kilometres west of Ottawa. The Mohawk launched their action in support of Wet'suwet'en hereditary chiefs after they faced a raid from the RCMP earlier this month enforcing a B.C. court injunction.

Miller arrived in Tyendinaga Saturday and met the Mohawk in a ceremonial encounter on the CN train tracks to renew a 17th Century treaty between the Iroqouis and the British Crown known as the Silver Covenant Chain. 

Indigenous Services Minister Marc Miller, second from left, leaves a Saturday meeting with protesters at a rail blockade on the tenth day of demonstration in Tyendinaga. According to a leaked recording, he asked the Mohawks of Tyendinaga to temporarily allow some trains through during another round of talks. (Lars Hagberg/The Canadian Press)

Miller then entered a closed-door meeting with 80 people reportedly in attendance. The minister sought to open channels of communication and find a resolution to the standoff on Ontario's rail lines. 

He wanted the Mohawk to allow some trains through during another round of talks, according to the recording, which was provided to CBC News by someone who attended. 

"My wish is that we have a temporary draw back and allow the trains to go through," said Miller.

He was immediately interrupted by a Mohawk resident in attendance, according to the recording.

"Get the red coats out first, get the blue coats out … then we can maybe have some common discussions," said Mario Baptiste.

Miller said he would then come back to keep the talks going and move toward broader change for Tyendinaga and the rest of the country

"Obviously dealing with the context of the issue ... it absolutely needs to be widened," said Miller, in the recording. 

Kanenhariyo, whose English name is Seth LeFort, speaks to the OPP liaison officers during a meeting on the train tracks Tuesday. The demonstrations have had a wide impact. VIA Rail has cancelled passenger traffic, CN Rail has issued temporary layoff notices, and the prime minister has cancelled an international trip. (Rozenn Nicolle/Radio-Canada)

That request was undercut moments later when Woos bolstered the Mohawk's reasoning behind the rail line demonstration by speakerphone.

Woos told the room that while the RCMP operation was over, the police remained on the territory and continued to pose a threat.

"We want them out of there. We don't want them there. They have a detachment right in the middle of nowhere, in their eyes. But in our eyes, it's our territory," he said. 

"We do our traditions out there. We do our trapping and hunting. They are out there with guns, threatening us."

Woos also said he wanted to "thank the Tyendinaga people" for their support.

Woos did not respond to a request for comment. Neither did Miller's office.

After the meeting, Miller told reporters he achieved "modest progress" and some of the issues put on the table would be raised with the prime minister and federal cabinet. But the audio recording reveals his main request — that some trains be allowed through — went largely unheeded.

The Mohawk have set up two camps a couple of kilometres apart, along the CN tracks, but have put nothing across the tracks to block the passage of trains. The camps' proximity to the rails, along with the Mohawk's message to CN that they did not want any trains going through, was enough to shut down the tracks.

There was a festive atmosphere at both camps around the barrel fires following Miller's meeting Saturday night, with some saying they were witnessing the start of an Indigenous uprising and revolution. 

The Mohawk of Tyendinaga have shut down Hwy 401, one of Canada's busiest highways, and the CN tracks in the past. This demonstration, however, has become one of the focal points of an evolving potential national crisis that has seen ports, intersections and train tracks blocked across the country.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau cancelled an upcoming trip to Barbados as a result of the rail disruptions, which has forced VIA Rail to cancel passenger traffic across the country. CN Rail shut down its Eastern Canadian network and laid off employees as a result of the demonstration that began on Feb. 6.

Feb. 6 was also the day the RCMP launched early morning raids against Wet'suwet'en camps.

Protesters stand on the closed train tracks on the ninth day of the blockade in Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory, near Belleville, Ont. on Friday. (Lars Hagberg/The Canadian Press)

The Wet'suwet'en hereditary chiefs opposed the pipeline and said its construction violated their recognized rights over the territory. While several Wet'suwet'en bands signed deals for the project, the hereditary chiefs say they have jurisdiction over the nation's territory and point to a 1997 Supreme Court decision as supporting their position. 

"You had an illegal judge make an illegal injunction," Tyendinaga Mohawk Kanenhariyo, whose English name is Seth Lefort, told Miller, according to the recording.

"And had the RMCP, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, militarized police, that are underneath the jurisdiction of the Crown, enter those territories with helicopters and AR-15s [assault rifles] on peaceful people living in their own territory and removed from their own territory." 

Miller said Trudeau and B.C Premier John Horgan had recently designated ministers to sit at a table with the Wet'suwet'en and Gtixsan hereditary chiefs. The Gitxsan also ended their own blockade of CN rail lines in New Hazelton, B.C., as a result of the agreement. 

However, Woos said there were still some serious issues to iron out with the new process and nothing had changed in regards to the RCMP's presence on his territory. 

Miller said these were issues he would take to Trudeau and the federal cabinet. 

"I need to go back to the prime minister and clarify exactly what the ask is," said Miller.

"There is a lot of information that is getting either distorted or not clear…. I will go back to cabinet. I will go back to the prime minister. My understanding is that the Wet'suwe'ten leadership is properly engaged, that they traced a path forward."

Protesters gather at the rail blockade on the eleventh day of demonstration in Tyendinaga, near Belleville, Ont. (Lars Hagberg/Canadian Press)

Against this backdrop the clock ticks on an injunction extended by the Ontario Superior Court last Friday. 

The Ontario Provincial Police twice visited the main camp on Sunday, which sits on Wyman Road at the edge of the reserve boundary. The second visit was to inform the camp that an OPP plane would now be flying over the area. 

Even so, red Mohawk Warrior flags flapped from the raised level rail crossing as masked young men wearing camouflage occasionally gazed through binoculars at the OPP cruisers up the road.