Premier says 'persuasion money' reason for mass resignation of Manitoba Hydro board

Every member of the Manitoba Hydro board, except for Progressive Conservative MLA Cliff Graydon, resigned on Wednesday.

Chair Sandy Riley said the board and the provincial government could not agree on several issues

Hydro board resigns en masse; premier says it's over persuasion money'

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Featured VideoEvery member of the Manitoba Hydro board — except for Progressive Conservative MLA Cliff Graydon — resigned on Wednesday, amid a heated disagreement over what Premier Brian Pallister calls "persuasion money."

Every member of the Manitoba Hydro board — except for Progressive Conservative MLA Cliff Graydon — resigned on Wednesday, amid a heated disagreement over what Premier Brian Pallister calls "persuasion money." 

Outgoing board chair Sandy Riley listed several points of disagreement with the province, most importantly that they couldn't get an audience with the premier. 

[The suggestion that] our board would have paid 'persuasion' money to anybody is cynical, offensiveand wrong.- Former Hydro board chair Sandy Riley

"For over a year we have attempted to meet with the premier to resolve a number of critical issues related to the finances and governance of Manitoba Hydro, including matters related to Hydro's efforts to further develop its relationship with Indigenous peoples," he said in a written statement.

But Premier Brian Pallister said he believes the board resigned because the province won't agree to a $70-million payment he says the board wanted to make to the Manitoba Metis Federation to smooth the process on the Minnesota-Manitoba transmission line.

"It has implications for much more than Manitoba Hydro when you start making payments to certain groups to not participate, and processes and things like that," he said, calling it "persuasion money."

Brian Pallister says 'persuasion money' reason for Hydro board resignations

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Featured VideoPremier Brian Pallister told media Wednesday he believes the board resigned because the province won't agree to a $70 million payment to the Manitoba Metis Federation to smooth the process on the Minnesota-Manitoba transmission line.

Riley said Pallister's suggestion that "our board would have paid 'persuasion' money to anybody is cynical, offensive and wrong."

"The agreement with the Manitoba Metis Federation was carefully vetted by the board. It met our legal obligations, encompassed a multiplicity of projects, covered a 50-year period, and was structured to ensure the money went to the people who should benefit from it," Riley said in an emailed statement Wednesday afternoon.

"In the view of our board it was a good transaction for Manitoba Hydro. It is not clear to me how the premier could have come to his view on these matters, given that he has refused to have conversations with us for over a year, and efforts that we made to engage with him on this issue were continually rebuffed." 

Manitoba MLA Cliff Graydon, the government's representative on the Manitoba Hydro board, speaks with Premier Brian Pallister in the Manitoba Legislature on Tuesday before the start of question period. (Sean Kavanagh/CBC)

The board members who resigned are vice-chair Steve Kroft, Dave Brown, Earl Edmondson, Jennefer Nepinak, Michael Pyle, Allen Snyder, Dayna Spiring and Annette Trimbee.

All of the people who resigned were appointed to the board by the provincial government in May 2016, shortly after the Progressive Conservatives under Premier Brian Pallister swept the NDP from power in April 2016.

CBC has reached out to several former members of the Manitoba Hydro board for comment.

Riley said the board was told the government was going to remove him as chair.

Pallister says he planned to "refresh" the Hydro board with some new members, and Riley was offered a post on another provincial board.

Manitoba Hydro has been criticized by the provincial government for increasing debts due to the building of the Bipole III transmission line and the Keeyask power dam, both of which have cost overruns in the billions of dollars.

Riley repeatedly said in the past that the utility was ordered by previous governments to expand its electrical generation capacity and agreed those decisions have placed the company at severe financial risk.

The Public Utilities Board is currently considering an application by Manitoba Hydro for a residential power rate increase of 7.9 per cent, and Hydro management has indicated it plans to ask for annual increases of 7.9 per cent until 2023-24.

Pallister says he's met with board

Pallister called the assertion that the government has not met with the board unfair.

"We've been in regular communication with the board," he said, "collectively and individually on an ongoing basis, so that's not a fair assertion.

"It's been a fair number of months ago since I met individually with Sandy and certainly heard lots from Sandy, communicated lots with Sandy, and I thank the board for their service."

The Manitoba Metis Federation also fired back against the allegation of impropriety in their deal, accusing Pallister of using "race card tactics." 

​Federation president David Chartrand said the MMF and the Manitoba Hydro board reached an agreement that "respects Metis rights" and saved taxpayers millions by avoiding unnecessary litigation and delays over major Hydro projects.

Communication problem

When asked if the province has a communication problem with its stakeholders, Mayor Brian Bowman said he wouldn't comment on Pallister's schedule.

"You know, I do meet regularly and speak regularly with the minister of municipal relations," said Bowman, adding he has a good relationship with Minister Jeff Wharton. "I have met with the premier. I would welcome more opportunities to meet with him directly."

Bowman said he's not worried at the moment about the potential impact on Winnipeg's economy.

"The GDP for Winnipeg continues to grow and there is positive momentum in the economy, and so I'm hopeful that [Hydro staff will] continue to do good work for this province."

The mass resignation of the board is a "black eye" for the Pallister government, said University of Manitoba political science professor Paul Thomas. 

"This is unprecedented in my memory and my memory goes back a long way," he said. "I've never seen a mass resignation of a board of a Crown corporation.

"[It] says something about [the government's] political management effectiveness and the communication that failed to take place, because this should have been stopped much earlier than reaching this point of no return." 

Politics prof Paul Thomas reacts to Hydro board resignation, Pallister's 'persuasion money' comment

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Featured VideoThe mass resignation of the board is a "black eye" for the Pallister government, said University of Manitoba political science professor Paul Thomas.

Business as usual

A spokesperson for Manitoba Hydro said it's business as usual at the Crown corporation.

"Today's announcement has no impact on daily operations at Manitoba Hydro," the spokesperson said Wednesday. "Our ongoing work of keeping the lights on and natural gas flowing to all of our customers is unaffected by today's announcement."

However, Manitoba Liberal Leader Dougald Lamont called the mass resignation a "full-blown crisis."

"This goes beyond bad judgment on the part of the premier. It is gross incompetence," Lamont said. "The single most important issue in Manitoba is fixing Hydro's finances because if we don't, it will take us all down."

Independent MLA Steven Fletcher echoed those comments. 

"If you're on a board, you need to be able to make decisions and it's clear that that was not the case," he said. Fletcher has started a "citizen's inquiry" into Manitoba Hydro and how it's run. 

NDP Leader Wab Kinew blamed the board's resignation on Pallister's "failure to listen."

"Hydro is the most important asset that we own collectively together, and the premier can't be bothered to pick up the phone, send a text, and find half an hour in his schedule to meet with the board."

'We now have a great deal of uncertainty': Loren Remillard on resignation of Manitoba Hydro board

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Featured VideoA Winnipeg business leader says a cloud of uncertainty now cloaks Manitoba after the resignation of almost all of Hydro's board. All but one member of the Tory-appointed board of Hydro has quit. In a statement the chair says the board has tried to meet with Premier Brian Pallister for more than a year to discuss critical issues. Winnipeg Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Loren Remillard had this reaction to the news.

The president of the Winnipeg Chamber of Commerce said the energy sector is a key component of Manitoba's economy.

"We now have a great deal of uncertainty," said Loren Remillard.

"We know that the bond rating agencies will be looking at this action with some concern as to what this means for the long-term stability of Manitoba Hydro, ratepayers and so forth."

A new board is likely to be installed quickly, he said.

"We've got to find that balance between having government not be overly involved in the operations of a Crown [corporation] and one that may be a little too hands-off in terms of the relationship," he said.

It's unknown what the impact will be on First Nations currently working with or in talks with Manitoba Hydro, said lawyer Corey Shefman, whose firm Olthuis Kleer Townshend LLP represents several First Nations groups.

"[It] affects the relationship between Hydro as a Crown corporation, as a public corporation, and the First Nation governments, many of whom are trying to negotiate accommodation agreements … for the impact on their territory caused by Hydro," he said.

"The mass resignation of the board is concerning. It might be a good thing, it might be a really, really bad thing. And because of the serious and direct impact that Hydro has on the lives of First Nations in Manitoba, we're watching this very closely."

With files from Sean Kavanagh, Bartley Kives and Karen Pauls