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I have enjoyed the discussion on homeopathy and it goes to show how entrenched both sides of the issue are. The problem with the practice so far is that the better designed the study (double blind, placebo controlled) the smaller the effect, to the point that it is indistinguishable from placebo. In other words, homeopathy works as well as nothing.
The proponents of homeopathy point to primarily anecdotal evidence (as evidenced by the poster in the show "Homeopathy worked for me!" Unfortunately, the plural of anecdote is not evidence.
The UK has determined that it is unethical to give an animal homeopathy because it cannot demonstrate it's efficacy. How, then, is it ethical to give a child homeopathy? Adults can make up their own minds, but the information must be made available, and it must be accurate. Keep in mind, the UK also licenses homeopathic hospitals.

In reply to a comment from Marty

How many times can you be wrong in the same article? "every substance or prepared dilution from that substance has a specific causative influence" doesn't mean anything and to say that science has proved it is meaningless and wrong.
"It's a fact that matter is energy." Nope, wrong again, matter is matter and energy is energy. You can convert one to another, but they are different.
"But if a remedy that hasn't been sufficiently individualized for the person, what is called homeopathically selected, it simply doesn't work." That's because homeopathy doesn't work. And this has been shown in case after case. I suppose you consider big pharma to be behind the debunking, well, if homeopathy must be individualized, why does Boiron sell packages at pharmacies? Because there's nothing in it to begin with. Pure and simple.
If you'd like to rebut, please cite studies.

Excellent information!!You will pay the same amount of money for a dog from a pet store who has no health testing done on the parents as you will from a reputable breeder who has health tested the parents and give you a health guarantee. The real breeder wants to know where their puppy is going and that they are going to live a good life. You will also get information on training and care of your breed from your breeder. A pet store's obligation ends when they have your money.

Are we supporting US Puppy Mills?

Commercial shipment of puppies are imported from the USA into Canada

Source: Canadian Food Inspection Agency, Ottawa

USDA Inspections of Problematic Dealers May, 2010

Executive Summary:

In the last 2 years, there has been significant media coverage concerning large-scale dog dealers (i.e., breeders and brokers) that failed to provide humane treatment for the animals under their care. The breeders, negatively referred to as “puppy mills,” have stirred the interest of the public, Congress, animal rights groups, and others.

(Caution graphic)complete document:

http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/33002-4-SF.pdf

In general I'd also like comment on the biggest thing that was missed here.

The basic principle of homeopathy: that like cures like, is for now considered by most homeopaths a DYNAMIC and universal principle. In other words it works with the INTERACTION of 2 living systems. A remedy is considered to have INFORMATION - NOT substance.

Homeopaths know remedies contain no detectable substance, and try to educate their patients on how its believed to work:
Sorry, no scam here.

It's a fact that matter is energy. It's this energy side that homeopaths believe was tapped into/discovered by producing remedies. There are still big questions on what this "energy" is in remedies(actually starting to be answered) , but the relevant thing in homeopathy is that every substance or prepared dilution from that substance has a specific causative influence. (This is proven scientifically) In the latter, the influence is broad and systemic, affecting the self-organizing autonomy of an organism.

So by understanding the influence of a remedy, then applying the well known dynamic principle of disease/healing that "like cures like", the cure is facilitated.(Efficacy of remedies is researched and documented, so one should take this comment of "no clinical trials" as basic slander) When a homeopath can perceive the state of a patient, then give a remedy known to produce a similar state, there is a potent facilitation to the inherent way people autonomously heal themselves. The remedy is a catalyst, the person heals themselves with the right "information" their system gets from the remedy. But if a remedy that hasn't been sufficiently individualized for the person, what is called homeopathically selected, it simply doesn't work. (This is why skeptics can eat all the remedies they want) There is dissonance of information.

If you choose to enlighten yourself rather than join the skeptics and ignorant commenters who continuously embarrass themselves by spewing out misrepresentations of something they know nothing about, then
look here: ...

In reply to a comment from Nathan Loiselle

Nathan: You say you're disappointed for people's lack of understanding of homeopathy, yet in your comment you yourself demonstrate your COMPLETE lack of understanding. Marketplace certainly didn't help you as it was a pathetic piece of journalism imparting zero understanding, in fact distorting any clear conception for a full view on what its all about, building on ignorance of the a group of skeptics that would rather feed they're intellectual arrogance and ignorance by debunking anything "illogical"

This decided ignorance does nothing more than what Marketplace was designed to deal with: the deception of the public right to have value for their money.

And if some of that deception was had, then what they have succeeded in is oppressing gains in dealing with chronic disease in the most holistic way possible through homeopathy, and attacking the basic right of free choice in health care: Far more dangerous than not getting "proper" treatment, which is also a stance that insults most people's intelligence.

Hello: Thank you for your story on BIM. We are members of Ultra Life Club. We paid $3,200.00 US, and annual fee of $100.00US. Its funny because my husband was trying to get into our membership and could not get any access. We thought something was wrong. We are very disappointed and wants to know if there is any way we can get our money back. I also talked my brother to purchase this vacation package. They told us that is good because it was not a time share and we could take as much weeks as we wanted to. I will pass this around.

"Business In Motion" is a scam - don't waste any time on it.

I am referring to the program on homeopathy.
You may have noticed that it had a record number of comments, in fact it probably had more comments than any other shows put together. The reason of so many comments reflected how bad the program was. There was no interest in exposing the trust.
Your program on homeopathy was extremely poor journalism. If any student from any journalism course would have produced such a program for their course work, they would have failed. Reason?
a. the research was basically non existent
b. the show was biased
c. the show had a preconceived agenda
d. the vast majority of comments were from supporter of homeopathy that were appealed by the extremely poor quality of your show

Last night the CBC had the nerve to air the homeopathy show again, despite the biased the extremely poor standards.

I am extremely disappointed of the CBC, not only their standards are abysmal, extremely poor journalism, but their even seem to be proud of it.
The CBC standard must be reviewed as Canadians deserve to have unbiased journalism. The biased opinion of an uneducated producer cannot be passed for news.

Boy, you guys sure don't get it, eh? The thousands of letters you received from people who use and support homeopathic medicine aren't signs of your popularity. They are expressions of OUTRAGE that you have tried to smear something good and beautiful in the world that helps millions of people every day.

Homeopaths are not car manufacturers or pyramid scheme operators. We are not part of a " billion dollar industry". We are
therapists, working to alleviate human suffering, in all its forms.
We are not generally publicly funded, so we work privately. Most of us eke out a living or take second and third jobs to be able to do what we love - practise homeopathy.

Marketplace - please stick to what you do best - consumer exposés. Your treatment of this subject LOST you viewers.


SHAME ON MARKETPLACE! Your as bad as scammers telling us to keep watching your going to update us on the homeopathy story and misleading us. Then what do we get? Info that can be gleaned just reading comments on this site. How some people are angry and upset that the truth was told. Every other update tells us what is happening to end the scam. Is homeopathy now legitimate in Ontario? Is it going to be banned? Without any kind of info like that there really was no update. I got to the end of that portion of the episode and felt ripped off.

I would like to get the name of the problem the dog had to do with peeing I got the name of the giardia but would like the other name. Mills and pet store sales need to be stopped.

I don't believe that PJ's has stopped getting puppies from Hunte. They said that years ago and since then numerous employees have said they still get from Hunte. Also, if you look at the 'collars' (with the dog's info) many say Hunte.

Homeopathic "remedies" are nothing but water and sugar - they are neither remedies nor medicines and should not be referred to as such on television. Homeopathy is a scam which can have grave consequences not only for the ignorant fools who fall for it but for their children and peers as well. Exposing yourself to serious yet preventable disease is irresponsible, exposing your children to it borders criminal behaviour.
Also criminal is allowing quacks to brainwash people into giving them their money instead of seeking real prevention and treatment.

Having seen you 'On The Case' episode I found that people's lack of understanding of homeopathic medicine disappointing and in one case dangerous.

First off, homeopathic medicine is like automobile fuel efficiency or saving pennies. Each is a small thing but added together they can have an effect. Unfortunately if fifteen minutes of exercise was a dollar and each tincture was a penny you'd need around 10,000 pennies in order to get a dollar. And that's if you used proper homeopathic doses. Proper homeopathic doses typically are far stronger than what is sold over the shelf because every person who is credible in the field also knows of the side effects of each medication.

Even then most homeopathic medications are far less effective than prescription medications. Simply because any pharmaceutical company is more willing to use a concentrated homeopathic method than the more expensive molecular research.

As for using belladonna, I'm unaware if this was for a cold remedy or not, is downright irresponsible. Any medication which contains enough belladonna to be effective is effective enough to kill you. Since belladonna is a well known neurotoxin and poison.

If homeopathy was to be used in an effective manner it would need to become prescribed by a doctor and monitored by proper regulatory bodies. Homeopathy is just weak medication.

BOYCOT ANY STORE THAT SELLS "PUREBRED" DOGS. Reputable breeders don't breed their dogs unless they have clients waiting.

Anyone who wants a purebred dog should look into national breed clubs, the CKC, or go to dog shows.

Quebec has a lot of puppy mills, and there is a HUGE ONE in Gatineau... and there is a "reputable" organization in Toronto ... that brings in US puppy mill stock,and even just looking at those dogs, you can tell they are poorly bred and not well.

NEVER BUY A PUPPY FROM A PET STORE. ADOPT A DOG INSTEAD. IF YOU WANT A PURE BRED DOG, LOOK AT NATIONAL BREED GROUPS...

 
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