"They can hear you...and they're hurt."
Multiple studies have completely de-bunked any link between autism and childhood vaccines.
The scientist whose work first posed it has been discredited and stripped of his license.
And yet, for some people, the myth lives on, and the debate continues over whether or not kids should be vaccinated.
It's a conversation some autistic people and their families find very hard to hear.
The CBC's Melissa Mancini introduces us to two of them.