Episode 10 Bonus | Frans de Waal

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Celebrated biologist and author Frans de Waal on the moral lives of animals, why we share a lot more with the animal world than we like to think and what that should mean for the future of human-animal relationships. Plus, why he's not very impressed by walking on two legs.

(He's also the man behind this amazing viral video, well worth checking out if you haven't seen it!)

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