Show Video June 9, 2011
Jameel Jaffer On National Security: 'It's Not That Governments Have Secrets - It's That They Have The Wrong Secrets.'

The ACLU's Deputy Legal Director talks about torture and transparency in the war on terror...

In the clip, Jameel Jaffer has this to say:
 
On Torture Policies:
"These policies are counterproductive and have made us less safe. But even if you think it's true, that there are people who need to be tortured, I think that's a case that the government should have to make openly."
 
On Our Moral Responsibility:
"I think citizens in a democracy have a moral obligation, to take responsibility for these policies, and we cannot take responsibility for policies we don't know about."
 
What Big Brother Knows and You Don't:
"The problem isn't that governments have secrets, it's that they have the wrong secrets. There has been a huge increase in surveillance - governments know more and more about what individual citizens do but at the same time, there has been this parallel shift and citizens know less and less about what governments do.  I think that's especially true in the national security sphere and I think it's a real problem."
 
Why Keep A Secret?
"If you look at some of the policies that were introduced in 2001-02, by the Bush administration, the torture policies, the warrantless wiretapping policies, these are not policies that would have survived public scrutiny and that's part of the reason why they were kept secret because they knew they couldn't have justified them to the public."

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