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The latest trade scuttlebutt from the NHL GM meetings
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Monday, February 18, 2008 | 03:32 PM ET
By Scott Morrison
CBCSports.ca's Scott Morrison is in Naples, Fla., covering the National Hockey League's annual general managers' meeting.
A funny thing happened Monday at the NHL general managers meetings.
Even though the hotel is attached to a nifty golf course, when the meetings broke up early Monday afternoon only a handful grabbed their clubs. The rest retreated to their rooms and the telephone or went off with cellphone in hand.
Just a week away from the trade deadline, which is Feb. 26, there is considerable talk as you would expect.
"I think a lot of guys are looking to plant the seeds for a deal here," said Ottawa Senators GM Bryan Murray. "There has been a lot of discussion going on, to see if there is something you can create. You want to leave here with a couple of options to act on closer to the deadline."
Added another general manager: "Toronto and Los Angeles are the hot teams here. They're both looking to do the same thing. They're looking to reload and they want that first pick. Or at least one of the first couple of picks."
Forsberg out, focus turns to Sundin and Hossa
The big news of the day actually happened in Sweden, where Peter Forsberg announced it is highly unlikely he will be returning to the NHL this season. With him out of the way, the attention shifts to the likes of Mats Sundin and Marian Hossa.
Beyond the Forsberg news, the hot rumour du jour involved Maple Leafs Tomas Kaberle, a talented defenceman, an all-star, who has a no-trade clause and is under contract for three more years at $4.25 million US annually. As such, he is not the first player interim GM Cliff Fletcher wants to move unless he is blown away by the offer.
Fletcher admitted Monday that he has not asked any of the five Leafs (Kaberle, Sundin, Pavel Kubina, Bryan McCabe and Darcy Tucker) who have no-trade or no-movement clauses if they would waive them.
"I haven't asked yet," said Fletcher. "If I'm going to ask, I want to go to them with something tangible for them to evaluate."
15 teams eyeing Kaberle
Kaberle is certainly a hot commodity. In fact, a source said no fewer than 15 teams have expressed serious interest, one of which was reportedly the Philadelphia Flyers, though that wasn't confirmed. Regardless, almost all the contenders would like him, for the present and the future.
"I can say there has been a lot of interest in him," Fletcher told CBCSports.ca mid-afternoon Monday, "but I haven't asked Tomas yet if he would waive his no trade. We'll see what happens."
Another source close to the Leafs suggested, while no one has talked to Kaberle yet, there is a feeling the answer will be no.
"But until you ask..." said the source.
Meantime, most of the big names being tossed around are potential unrestricted free agents, rentals in other words. Before most are dealt, however, teams have to decide whether they have a chance of signing the player first, while also determining what their playoff status is. That isn't an issue with the likes of the Leafs or Kings, but it applies to others.
Here is the latest trade scuttlebutt:
Marian Hossa: Thrashers general manager Don Waddell admits he has three options with Hossa, a pending unrestricted free agent.
1. Sign him. "The odds of that are getting slimmer," said Waddell.
2. Trade him. "We're not interested in draft picks, that can be part of the puzzle, but our future is now and we think we can win our division," continued Waddell.
3. Keep him. "We could keep him and take a run at the playoffs, but the odds of dealing him before July 1 aren't good," said Waddell. "We could possibly sign him later if we had success, that might change things because with him it's all about whether we are winning."
Conclusion. Waddell will trade him and several teams are lining up. Montreal is interested and Christopher Higgins's name has been mentioned. San Jose has inquired, but the asking price included Jonathan Cheechoo. Detroit is very hot on Hossa. Anaheim and Dallas are also in the hunt.
Rob Blake: It is true, Blake has made it known that he wants to stay in Los Angeles. This is based on a number of factors, including it is where he wants to live and leaving his family for several months isn't necessarily option number one. However, he also hasn't been asked yet to waive his no-trade clause.
"I haven't asked him yet because I haven't been presented with an offer that I would consider worth talking to him about," said Kings general manager Dean Lombardi. "We talked twice last week about a lot of things, but I haven't asked him. It's a balancing act, a two-way street and ultimately he makes the final decision."
Lombardi acknowledges that he is aware of Blake's desires, thus he is only listening to a handful of teams, either those close to L.A. (which would mean Anaheim and San Jose) or organizations that Blake respects, which have a legitimate shot at the Stanley Cup.
"There are certain places he would be partial to, I'm not stupid about that," said Lombardi. "But like I said, no one has made the offer I feel is worthy of taking to Rob to ask the question. And if the answer is no, then the answer is no."
Meantime, Los Angeles is looking to move some veteran players and free agents. Winger Ladislav Nagy, who signed a one-year deal, is available with moderate interest.
Dan Boyle: A potential unrestricted free agent in the summer, Tampa has had contract talks with Boyle, who wants to stay with the Lightning. But the numbers have to add up. It's believed Boyle wants somewhere in the neighbourhood of $6.5 million to $7.5 million.
"We're still talking," said Lightning general manager Jay Feaster. "He's interested in staying, regardless of what happens he's building a house in Tampa, he's engaged to a local girl. We'll see what happens, but if you're not going to get guys signed you have to look at getting some assets back."
Feaster acknowledged there has been "a lot of interest in Dan."
Sources say that eight teams, including Ottawa, have expressed an interest in forward Vinny Prospal, another pending unrestricted free agent.
Brian Campbell: Sabres general manager Darcy Regier said yesterday he will make his "best" offer to Campbell this week. As with many of the others, no deal and another UFA will be moved.
Peter Forsberg: Many, including Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren, expected Forsberg to announce early this week, perhaps even Tuesday, his intentions. Sources had indicated Forsberg was a virtual lock to return to the NHL with the only question being where? Indeed, over the weekend several general managers said it was a lock, but Forsberg couldn't convince himself he could stay at 100 per cent.
Late Monday afternoon Forsberg announced it was unlikely he will return this season, meaning he won't. If he doesn't sign by Feb. 26 he isn't eligible for the playoffs and that isn't going to happen, so the dynamic of the trade deadline is altered significantly.
Given that the Flyers thought they had the best shot at Forsberg, they could intensity their hunt for help elsewhere. Vancouver, Colorado, Ottawa and Minnesota were all in the sweepstakes, as well.
Senators: They were obviously talking with Forsberg and are talking to Atlanta about Hossa. Admitted Murray: "I'd like to do something, I think we could use a shot in the arm. But it's not the end of the world if we don't.
"We have only have six defencemen with NHL experience, I wouldn't mind acquiring another player there. And you're always looking for good scoring. With our team, if the big guys don't score we have a tough time."
Said a second line forward is a priority, too. It's believed they have been in the hunt for Boyle and Campbell.
Hurricanes: With the injury to centre Rod Brind'Amour and the tight playoff race, they are still looking to add a piece or two.
"I'd like to get another centre, a third-line guy," said general manager Jimmy Rutherford.
One name overheard was Maple Leafs centre Dominic Moore, though no confirmation of talks.
Islanders: They are looking to move Miro Satan and Mike Comrie.
THIS AND THAT:
Asked if he spoke with Oilers general manager Kevin Lowe during the morning meetings, Ducks GM Brian Burke said: "No." He paused and added: "That ain't gonna happen." ... Columbus continues to talk with defenceman Adam Foote, a UFA this summer. They would like to do a deal ...
The GMs spent the morning divided into four groups to essential review the state of the game. One group talked about research and development ventures, another talked about salary retention in trades, as well as possibly preventing teams from re-signing rental players they deal and moving the start of free-agent shopping season from July 1 to the sixth to avoid the holiday conflicts and maximize exposure.
Various rules were discussed, including clarifying what constitutes a "kicked in" goal, the instigator rule, one-minute penalties in overtime, high sticking penalties, shootouts without helmets, all-star no shows, throat protection, goaltender equipment, slashing penalties involving a broken stick.
The full group will discuss the various issues and forward their recommendations to the competition committee and ultimately the board of governors. The sore spot with the GMs, though, is that the competition committee (comprised of owners, players and managers) has previously rejected some of the recommendations. The GMs feel, and rightly so, they should be the voice for hockey-related matters.
More on all that discussion Tuesday.
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Scott Morrison, the recipient of the Hockey Hall of Fameís 2006 Elmer Ferguson Memorial Award, has been covering hockey for 25 years. The Toronto native began his career at the Toronto Sun in 1979. After spending more than 11 years as a hockey writer and columnist at the paper, Morrison became Sports Editor in 1991 and led the section to being named one of North America's top-ten sports sections in 1999 - the first sports section in Canada to receive the AP Sports Editors North American Award. Scott, a former two-term president of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association, joined Rogers Sportsnet in 2001 as Managing Editor, Hockey, and is currently both a commentator on Hockey Night in Canada and a columnist for CBC.ca.
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Comments (20)
Kerry
Calgary
This time of year is always amusing as the GM's who don't draft well and are looking for instant success scour their brethren for "something for very little" and end up getting taken to the cleaners.
My personal complaint with the current meetings is that a team populated with cheap shot artists like the Ducks is bringing forward a proposal to mitigate their own actions (1 minute penalties in OT) - guess why? The other thing that they should be focusing on, based on the evidence this year, is beefing up calls (read suspensions & fines) for all head shots and hits from behind resulting in injuries.
The NHL could learn a lot from looking at how the NFL has changed in this regard.
Posted February 19, 2008 04:05 PM
Sherry
Ottawa
To andrew who thinks Ottawa needs to trade Redden. Who have you been watching, or what game, maybe your are thinking of Meszaros or Phillips. Redden I admit has struggled, but is a BIG asset to this team. Keep Redden in Ottawa, he is one of the best defence on this team!
Posted February 19, 2008 03:37 PM
Frank
Calgary
Hey Cliff
Want Cujo !!
Posted February 19, 2008 02:59 PM
Dave L.
TO
Since it appears we're only talking Leafs, here are my trades: Sundin, and Kaberle for Marleau, Bernier, Carle and a 1st rounder. McCabe for a first rounder to Chi-town (who has picks to spare), and Raycroft for a second rounder to anywhere who needs an expensive back-up. Razor's a likeable guy, and a good interview, but certainly his TO days, like McCabe's, are numbered.
Posted February 19, 2008 01:38 PM
D Carter
Georgetown
So what do the Leafs need to become a contender again? Well seems they finally got a very good goalie in Toskala but he needs a better defence group in front of him. Gill is big but slow and not much of a puck mover. Kaberle is their best defenceman and Kubina is not bad. Trade Gill, McCabe and or White. Forward lines need scoreres and to way players. Matts should be traded to get young players with potential and resign Matts in the summer when contract expires. He'll see the logic in this. Trade Tucker, Ponikoarsky and Blake. Stajan could be used to entice a deal.
Posted February 19, 2008 01:28 PM
Jamie
Sarnia
If the Leafs intend to "blow things up", Tomas Kaberle may be one of the few pieces worth holding on to. Truly, the focus should be moving the real problems in Toronto; such as, Kubina, Raycroft, Blake, Tucker, and Kyle Wellwood. If the Leafs are in search of a first round pick, Vesa Toskala may be worth moving to a team that deperately needs a goalie, ie LA or Tampa.
Posted February 19, 2008 12:58 PM
Andrew
Ottawa
The Sens need to trade Redden.
Let some other team deal with his constant game-blowing giveaways. I can't think of a game this year that he's played in where he hasn't bungled the puck or just passed it to the other team and allowed at least a breakaway, at worst a game winner.
Let some other team deal with his off-ice issues that have been affecting his game for the last few years. Every game you're at, you hear people in the crowd yelling at him about his "activities".
A smart GM would have never let Chara go when they could have sent Redden packing.
Posted February 19, 2008 12:43 PM
jeff
I really feel sorry for Cliff Fletcher who has inherited the task of improving the Leafs by attempting to trade away his assets who unfortunately contain NTC's thanks to JF Jr. I think management has to take a hard line stance in this case to these underachieving players who do not wish to waive their NTC clauses. Fletcher should send them to their most desolute and coldest climate affiliate in the minors or just buy them out and take the cap hit. I think Leaf fans would embrace those players more for doing so instead of infuriating them.
Posted February 19, 2008 12:15 PM
Tony
Tomas Kaberle is one of the premiere defencemen in the NHL. He is the type of player any team would want to build around, and he is young. Tucker, Kubina, Gill, Ponakarosky and the like must go. Fletcher hopefully will clear the decks and start to rebuild a team.
Posted February 19, 2008 12:11 PM
Doug
Surrey
To many teams and not enough high quality talent.The NHL is turning into a joke.We pay outrageous prices for to many ho-hum games.
I totally hate the shoot-out.As "Dennis" said,it is a "TEAM" sport.The penalty situation is ridiculous.Half the game is the penalty killers vs the power play.There are way to many "phantom" calls.It's not the referees fault,but the drive towards "no-touch" hockey. Oddly,you can knock a guy senseless with a forearm or an elbow.Just don't put a hand on his shoulder,or touch him with your stick.Ah yes.Then there's the famous "third man in" rule.Some goon can literally cripple your smaller player,but if someone comes in to protect him,he's done for the night.
The days of the "elite" NHL are gone due to bad management and a major dilution of the available talent.More teams means more marginal players in the league.
On one hand,more people get to watch hockey.But one the other hand,a lot of the games aren't worth watching.I guess it comes down to "quality vs. quantity".
Posted February 19, 2008 11:51 AM
K.Matroskin
Toronto
To trade Kaberle? Are they insane? Trade those who don't deliver: Sundin, Antropov, McCabe, and Tucker. Get rid of Belak and Blake. When Tomas is on the ice is the only time I don't expect anything stupid from our defence. Just wondering what is going to be Leaf's next "bright" idea, to trade Toskala, Steen, or Stajan? Wanna advice? Send Paul Maurice to follow Blake and Belak. There was a reason why Carolina got rid of him and this reason is still there
Posted February 19, 2008 11:12 AM
stephan d
ottawas gotta make a move that can give us some real secondary scoring, stillman isnt stepping up like we thought he would and is we made a move on sundin(play with alfie) or hossa (play with heatley and spezza) that would be the best to put us over the top and get us that cup we need.
GO SENS GO!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted February 19, 2008 11:07 AM
donald baldhead
s'toon
kaberle has to waive his ntc. he said he won't. i'd love it to see him and all of them stay there. they are in the basement where they belong, yet cbc and tsn will continue to show them over flames, oil, sens, montreal, and even vancouver.
Posted February 19, 2008 10:58 AM
Richard
Toronto
Toronto Maple Leafs need to trade the likes of Sundin, Tucker, McCabe, Kubina and Raycroft. The Leafs need new blood that can funnel our team as a Contender and not a laughing stock of the NHL.
Go Leafs Go !!!
Posted February 19, 2008 10:44 AM
RbndesBois
Montreal
Why on earth the Leafs would want to trade Kaberle or McCabe or any of their other top players is beyond me. I understand trading 37 year old Sundin for future prospects but trading players in their prime who are under contract makes no sense. Are you sure about this, Scotty?
Posted February 19, 2008 09:32 AM
BW
Windsor
One minute penalties? Shootouts with no helmets? Bigger nets? Smaller goalie equipment? Are you kidding me?? What happend to the tradition of the game. Why every year do the rules need to be changed, the game is F-I-N-E the way it is. Who wants to watch a hockey game where the final score is 10-8? If I wanted high scoring I'd watch lacrosse, but the reason I don't is because I hate the high scoring. If it keeps at this pace the best goalie in the league will have a GAA as high as Andrew Raycroft's is, while sacrificing the goalies to slaughter with lesser protection, one word says it all.....STUPID!
Posted February 19, 2008 08:04 AM
Jeff Cray
I think the Leafs have no one to blame but theirselves for all the NTC on the team. I hope all of the players they try and trade do not waive their no trade clause. That would be hilarious.
It would once again show how bad the Leafs management have screwed up a once proud organization
GO SENS GO !!!!!
Posted February 19, 2008 07:55 AM
tawy
winnipeg
Worse thing NHL ever did was let someone have NO TRADE CONTRACTS! See what it does to teams trying to rebuild, aka Leafs, etc, and their players have no trade contracts. Ban them no trade contracts, and let the managers trade their players anywhere, or send them to the minors
Posted February 18, 2008 11:21 PM
Andy
What about the Flames, is anyone hearing what Sutter is up too.
Posted February 18, 2008 08:39 PM
Dennis Weaver
Lose the shoot-out, because the shoot-out is not a team effort, its only a 3 or 4 players effort. The shoot-out should be replaced with the home team playing 4 on 3 for 5 minutes. Then the visiting team playing 4 on 3 for 5 minutes. If the score is still tied then each team will receive one point for regulation play and one point for an overtime tie. The team that wins would receive 2 points for an overtime win, one point for a regulation tie and this would be more of a whole team effort. Any penalties in overtime should be one minute penalities. If the team with the advantage receives the penalty it would become 3 on 3 for one minutes, if it is the team with the disadvantage it would become a 5 on 3 for one minute. This would take no longer to play than the five minute overtime and the shoot-out. Then you have a team effort win or lose.
Posted February 18, 2008 07:19 PM