I just finished a fascinating conversation with Ron Deibert. Ron is director of The Canada Centre for Global Security Studies, and The Citizen Lab, at the University of Toronto, and an expert in issues around security, openness, and surveillance online. We started out talking about how countries can 'shut down' the internet, as Egypt did. We also talked more broadly about the risks associated with a more centralized internet, and why he thinks internet access should be considered a human right.

A shorter version of this interview will air on the 137th episode of Spark, but you can hear the full, uncut interview below, or download the MP3.

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