ONTARIO VOTES 2007

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October 10, 2007 | 12:53 PM

As Ontarians head to the polls today to elect a new provincial government and cast their ballot for electoral reform, we want to hear what you have to say about the campaign and issues.

What kind of government do you want for Ontario? Are you happy with the way the election campaign has been conducted?

We'll be highlighting your comments all evening on the web, radio and television. So give us your best shot.

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Comments: (458)

Brendan C. (Toronto) wrote:

Thanks alot, my fellow Ontarians.

We had the chance to make a serious change in the validity of our votes. The current biased, manipulated first-past-the-post system will remain intact, because most Ontarians didn't take the time to understand what the proposed Mixed Member Proportional system really meant for us.

If you didn't understand the question, why would you even vote? Why not simply null your referendum vote, and just vote on the candidate of your choice?

If I walked up to you in the street and told you to find the inverse Laplace transform of a binomial function, or else give me your right to vote come next election, what would you have done?

Based on this election, you would have randomly guessed the answer to my specific, research-required question and given me your right to vote.

Trust when I say I will make a better use of your vote than you did yesterday.

Posted October 11, 2007 04:41 PM

cwithy (vancouver) wrote:

What is clear from all this is that most Ontarians need to take courses in politics and spelling. Anyway, have fun with your stagnation.

Posted October 11, 2007 04:27 PM

Mikeh (Hamilton) wrote:

What is it about Conservatives and this stupid religious fundamentalist baggage they carry around with them? (Are you listening Mr. Harper?)
You make even staunch conservatives that happen to be secularists hold their nose when voting for you....
For goodness sakes wake up, leave these issues off your election platforms, and give us a decent centrist alternative.
Tory and especially his advisers should be turfed immediately....it's their fault we have a grit majority.
Idiots.
Oh yeah, and Republican style attack ads are revolting.
Just grow up.



Posted October 11, 2007 04:21 PM

Robin (Mono_Ontario) wrote:

Lots of bitterness going on in this forum!

The truth of it is, like him or not, McGuinty has improved the quality of life in this province. More funding for nurses and health care, as well as education. He's taken steps to protect the green belt, and balanced the budget.

For those who voted PC just because it's a vote against McGuinty, do you truly understand what that vote meant?

The Harris PC's left us an enormous deficit, and they LIED and covered it up. That's not fiscal conservatism. Do you also understand what private health care would do to us? Don't buy the smoke-and-mirrors PC claim that it would improve wait times and oh by the way, OHIP would reimburse you the cost. The reality is, doctors, considered civil servants in this country, are underpaid. As soon as you introduce profit, they will jump to those clinics, leaving few, if any, in the public health system.

Do the math - that equals more wait, less quality care.

As much as you're dying to believe the PC's would help Health care and education, taking millions out of the system doesn't make it happen.

I don't believe there is any place in federal or provincial politics in this country, for a Conservative party. They are the party of the Industrial revolution, and are now antiquated. No room for those policies in the 21st century Canada.

Posted October 11, 2007 03:46 PM

Fran (Barrie_ON) wrote:

About Tom Adshead's comments -

I think you are 100% CORRECT!!! Too bad the government won't see them. Every newspaper in Ontario should publish your comments and maybe things would improve????

Posted October 11, 2007 03:45 PM

D. Carpenter (Burlington) wrote:

I appreciate that those who served to develop the proposal for electoral reform and those who supported MMP worked hard and were passionate in their belief in its merits.

However, hard work and passion do not give the right to accuse those who disagreed of ignorance and timidity.

Some of us did know well in advance that there was to be a referendum, some of us did understand the issue, and some of us did take the time to study the pros and cons. And many of us voted "no", not because we are afraid of change, but because we concluded it was a bad idea.

Posted October 11, 2007 03:26 PM

Fran (Barrie_ON) wrote:

A few words for anyone who has commented or will. Does it really matter WHO wins the election? One party is as crooked as the other. They all LIE and STEAL, line THEIR OWN pockets with our money and NEVER do what you want or what they say they will anyway. Isn't it strange that taxes were originally only to fund the war? Sure has been a long war!!!!!!!

Posted October 11, 2007 03:21 PM

lord anthony (Port_Elgin) wrote:

IF ONLY... the Citizens Assembly had recommended that candidates for the List be presented from the ridings to the Party HQ wonks, NOT the other way round. A list-member doesn't have to be a political-strategy genius, just a loyal worker-bee put in the hive to correct FFTP under-representation.

IF ONLY..... the Citizens Assembly had recommended that successful List candidates be assigned to the largest geographical ridings in the province tag-teaming with the regular MPP, not collecting all the perks of parliament while enjoying in their Toronto condos on the weekend. (Now wouldn't that have a chilling effect on List-wannabes?)

I understood the proposal perfectly well. It didn't stop me cringeing at the likely toadies, self-promoters and failed mandarins who would become List-Members of Parliament.

Posted October 11, 2007 01:52 PM

Richard (Ottawa) wrote:

To the whiners, the embarraassed, the sad, the emotionally distressed.

Hear from one of the many so called uneducated masses you discount. I will always be horrified by the aspect of MPP. I need the accountability of that elected faced. So I can vote to get rid of it 4 years later.

For many years I have seen governments in power that I disagree with, but for the sake of a democratic society, the MPP would weaken a government, having it held hostage to minority views.

To those considering moving to Alberta to enjoy publicly funded faith based schooling. See YA!!!! Have fun. Enjoy yourself. Many happy trails. Bless you in the named of God of your choosing.

To those embarrassed, all I can say, would you be embarrassed if your views won out the day?
Would you still insult the rest of us for being so stupid for not voting the way you wanted (in the case you didn't get 100 per cent of the vote)?

The real answer is you can only be embarrassed about yourself.

We all are stupid, backward idiots. There feel better? And we are the majority. Take another bitter pill, wake up, and continue to work or get worked up. The sunshines, the seasons change and we get to vote again.

Peace

Posted October 11, 2007 01:35 PM

Wayne (British_Columbia) wrote:

It's too bad the majority of Ontario voters did not seem interested in bringing some fairness to the funding of private schools. The fact that Roman Catholic schools are funded and others are not seems unfair and somewhat dishonest in that taxpayers money is used to fund a religious school system with which they may disagree with.

Where is the freedom of religion in that? Secondly, funding private schools is unlikely to cost taxpayers more for education of public schools because private school teachers often work for lower pay and fewer benefits, by their own choice, than the strongly unionized public school teachers. Private schools may not have all the facilities that public schools have. So the reverse may be true and McGuinty's claim may be false. Finally, students in private schools often achieve higher academic standings, which benefits the country and provides more incentive for all students to work harder.

Posted October 11, 2007 01:33 PM

Chris McNeil (Eganville_Ontario) wrote:

As you can see, that is a lot closer to the total vote percentage than the FPTP results.

The Liberals still have the most of seats, but as reflected in the vote they do not have a majority. What would this mean? Well for starters the Liberals would have to form an alliance with at least one other party. Even those 6 green seats hold enough voting sway to give the liberals their 51% on any confidence vote. At the very least, the ruling party would not be able to pass any legislation they see fit without the support of their critics.

Also, it means that every single vote cast in the election has a direct affect on the final results. If you're not happy with what the previous government did in their last term it won't take that much to send them to the curb packing on the next election. Maybe a perceived increase in voter efficacy would help the problem of low voter turn out, but that's a discussion for another paper.

Posted October 11, 2007 01:08 PM

Chris McNeil (Eganville_Ontario) wrote:

Let's examine the earliest results of the election and compare what we have now with what could have been with an MMP system.

First off, some figures.

Ridings won and vote % received:
Liberals: 71, 42.19% (66% of seats)
Conservatives: 26, 31.67% (24% of seats)
NDP: 10, 16.79% (9% of seats)
Green: 0, 8.01%
Other: 0, 1.34%

Under an MMP the political landscape would look much different.

First off there would only be 90 ridings across Ontario. So we have to scale back the number of seats. We will use the same percentages of seats won to keep it simple.

Lib: 71 = 60
PC: 26 = 22
NDP: 10 = 8
Grn: 0 = 0
Oth: 0 = 0

So far, not that much different.

Now we will consider the 39 extra list seats which would be added. For simplicity let us assume that the total vote percentage reflects the party voting.

First we determine how many seats each party is entitled to.

Lib: 42% = 54 (42% of 129 seats)
PC: 31% = 40
NDP: 16% = 20
Grn: 8% = 10
Oth: 1% = 0 (No one independent or other party met the 5% minimum to receive list seats)

First off we notice that the Liberals already have more seats than they are entitled to based on the riding results. They would not loose any seats in the house, but they do not gain any list seats either. So now we divide the remaining 39 seats among the three parties who are eligible to fill them.

To do this we take the parties percentage vote and consider it as a whole, 31 + 16 + 6 = 55 then divide their percentages against the whole to obtain their percentage of the list seats.

PC: 56% = 22
NDP: 29% = 11
Grn: 15% = 6

Now when we combine these list seats with the ridings the election would have looked something like this.

Lib: 60 (46.5%)
PC: 44 (34.1%)
NDP: 19 (14.7%)
Grn: 6 (4.7%)
Oth: 0

The percentages are the percent of total seats (list + ridings)
All figures from www.CBC.ca/news

Posted October 11, 2007 01:03 PM

Bramptonian (Brampton) wrote:

Normally a Liberal, I voted for the Green party. Why? To let D McG know that the status quo is not okay. It is shameful that public funds continue to be directed to a school system based on a faith that considers itself to be the one "true" religion, and one that discriminates against women and homosexuals, all contrary to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

The Green party doubled it's popular vote because it was the only party willing to say what has to be said.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:58 PM

lautaro fuentes (Toronto_Davenport) wrote:

Backwards democracy!

*I hate this electoral system because it doesn't take my vote into account. The Liberals overall has less votes and yet more seats. This is wrong people!

*What bothers me is the electorate that is very misinformed thus causing MMP (Mixed Member Proportional) not to pass. Why are people so afraid of change?

*Finally yet importantly is the media! Where were you guys on the issues? Shame! shame! Worst of all was the CBC funded with my tax dollars and reporting overall on the issues sucked! Change your name to FOX News...

Upset voter!!

Lautaro

Posted October 11, 2007 12:48 PM

Ron T (Ontario) wrote:

A sad day for us in Ontario! We will pay the price for voting in the Liberals for another 4 year term. We have already paid dearly with tax increases and services being dismantled or ignored. The MNR is at an all time low with Conservation Officers and support staff unable to do their jobs effectively because of massive cuts. This places our environment and wildlife at risk. Mr. McGuinty says he wants a one public funded education system and not public funds for private religious schools. The last time i checked the Catholic School board is a "religious" institution. Let's see how he answers that one!

Posted October 11, 2007 12:36 PM

Hannah Gutoskie (Combermere_Ontario) wrote:

I am only 17 years old and not elidgable to vote but I was very disappointed that the voting for this election was at a record low. As someone who wants to vote and cannot, I find it a real shame that people who have the right to do so do not excercise it.

I was also disappointed that MMP was defeated.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:35 PM

R. Speller (Thunder_Bay) wrote:

With only a 52.6% voter turn out, how can we say that we do not need electoral reform? Obviously something is keeping Canadians from the polls. I think that most of us feel out vote doesn't matter. A decrease in the popular vote for the liberals can still result in an increased amount of seats in Queen's Park. Under MMP the seats would have been divided as follows: Liberals 55, PC 41, NDP 22, Green 10. Now isn't that much more representive of how Canadians voted?

Posted October 11, 2007 12:32 PM

Jay Clark Reid (Toronto) wrote:

Again Ontarians have given free reign to a party to govern as they see fit for the forseeable future. It's as though we have no other choices. More of the same, please.

MMP was defeated, which could have been an important step in curbing the majorityitis which pervades our Province like a proverbial cinder block around our collective necks.

Disappointing, to say the least.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:24 PM

Michael Gordon (Toronto) wrote:

MMP was well advertised and clearly explained for anyone who actually wanted to spend 5 minutes understanding it.

I shudder to think how much was spent on promoting this referendum when so many potential voters just weren't that interested.

To hear expressed here that it failed because voters did not understand it, is not the Liberal's fault. It is not their place as ruling party to tell voters how to vote in the referendum. They did their part.

Maybe MMP failed because most voters don't want it. Who really wants inefficient coalition minority governments and I personally do not relish the idea of giving parties like the Family Coalition power in our government. I'm happy with the results as is.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:22 PM

Kristel Niemi (Niagara) wrote:

I am so disappointed in the lack of education on MMP and electoral reform. This smacks in the face of democracy when a citezin's assembly is virtually ignored and unsupported in getting information out.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:06 PM

glad Liberals won (Markahn) wrote:

Horrifying memories of Mike Harris in power in Ontario make me fearful to EVER vote PC in a provincial election.

As for the Green Party I don't even know who my Green Party candidate is! I have questions whether their increased popular vote have to do more with people voting in 'protest' than for their actual platforms. I'm not sure I want a party that is so focused on one issue to run the province.

Posted October 11, 2007 11:53 AM

Lawrence (Hamilton_ON) wrote:

I find it remarkable that so many people were apparently confused about MMP or even surprised that there was a referendum on this issue. It's been all over the radio, TV, papers, and the internet. We were all given plenty of opportunity to learn about it. Anyone who wasn't inclined to find out about this proposal likely has no idea about other current events and probably shouldn't have been voting either.

Posted October 11, 2007 11:50 AM

Jeff (Windsor) wrote:

The MMP proposal was due to fail due to the uncertainty of how the list members were to be chosen and from what part of the province. Leaving the choosing of the list members by the parties is a mistake as they will represent patronage appointments. In addition, what increase in service would I have seen by my ontario government by having an additional 22 members at Queen's Park paid at a rate of 110,000/yr plus pension? I would not be opposed to electoral reform, but clearer guidelines would have to be outlined prior to a referendum.

Posted October 11, 2007 11:46 AM

doug smith (Kitchener) wrote:

What a slamming disappointment!

The electoral reforms gave us a lower turnout than ever before.

The government returned with less than a popular majority but will rule like a Junta.

The referendum failed miserably.

Things must be really terrible everywhere else.

Posted October 11, 2007 11:43 AM

Alex Dale (NiagaraontheLakeOntario) wrote:

I was just reading that this year marked a record for lowest voter turnout, despite the Ontario government's attempts at boosting the number, by extending the advance polls and the time allotted for voting. I think that one of the largest groups of people who are probably not voting are the students, thousands of whom have just left their home towns to go to schools in other cities across the province and the country.

From discussing the election with many of these individuals, a large proportion of them did not vote due to the confusing and time consuming practice of proxy voting, and/or attempting to vote in the city that they reside in for school purposes. Maybe, if this system was overhauled, possibly allowing the students to vote online, or set up a separate poll for students to at least vote for the party they want representing them, then the voter turnout in Ontario would be largely improved. That or change the election date to the Summer months...actually, I guess that would not work. It would require the politicians to work through the summer, heaven forbid.

Posted October 11, 2007 11:23 AM

Gillian Brett (Kingston) wrote:

What a sad day for Ontario. Premier McGinty gave himself a $40,000 raise, yet he expects people to live on $8 an hour before deductions. He plans on spending more money on vaccinations for cirvical cancer for schoolkids yet people who are in bad need of a doctor can't get one and people who need an eye exam and can't afford one have to go without. Maybe Mr. McGinty should start focusing on the real priorities and not on what will please one segment of society. We all have to live in this province and surely the government is supposed to represent all the people not just the well-heeled.

Posted October 11, 2007 11:03 AM

M Cutler (Toronto) wrote:

Ontarians got a taste of the next four years last night. In what can only be described as a bold act of arrogance, Dalton broke with tradition, and paraded like a peacock into his victory party, and delivered his victory speech before the other leaders were given an opportunity to speak. On a night when his opponent lost both the general election and his riding election, Dalton couldn't be respectful enough to allow him the opportunity to concede defeat, before thumbing his nose and saying 'na na na na na'. Shame. There is a reason the victor waits for his opponents to concede - it's good manners. But that's too much to expect from Mr. McGuinty.

Why should we expect good manners from a man who was comfortable breaking his promises to Ontarians, a man who was willing to impose a health tax on Ontarians living in poverty, and who was then willing to give away millions of our tax dollars in a slush fund that was used to bolster support of his party. We need those health care dollars, he'll tell you, and the Cricket Club needed that money as well!

Mr. McGuinty had no reason to be cocky last night. To be sure, he did not win this election - John Tory lost it. Nothing the Dalton Liberals have done over the last four weeks, or the last four years, were deserving of the election win they saw last night.

Yet, Mr. McGuinty was very comfortable delivering a speech last night which unleashed a wave of rhetorical BS that would make a tsunami jealous, and his reign of terror begins.

Luckily, the next four years will be unremarkable, uninteresting, and unimportant in Ontario history. While we can be sure that Ontario will not grow, progress, or change for the positive during Dalton's reign, we can be sure that it won't be lead in a bad direction, or changed for the worse - it takes a man with principle, passion and leadership to effect real change, and Dalton doesn't have it in him.

Over the next four years, you'll really learn that Leadership Matters.

Posted October 11, 2007 10:45 AM

Eliza (Peterborough) wrote:

I was not surprised by the outcome of the election, nor am I upset about the outcome; MMP wasn't spoken of enough in the media, and the only method of education on the topic was through the website. I was for it, but I do understand that change is slow.

I am most pleased with the increase in popular vote for the Green Party. I voted Green, not because I want them for government, but because they would make a great opposition to whomever gets in in future elections. We do need more choice, and at least on party with a vision, rather than the bickering of "broken Promises" campaigns that are so popular these days. I want to hear of vision, and scope for the future, not what has been in the past.

Frankly, I'd like to see something of growth, not our mired stagnation.

Posted October 11, 2007 09:58 AM

Kevin Taylor (Guelph) wrote:

I am again disappointed that Canadians overall do not get out and vote when they make it so easy to vote. I think of people in other countries who walk for days, and face intimidation with guns and military- just for the right to vote. I also think think of the Veterans who fought and died for our county, so we could have a democracy. 54% turn out is shameful.

Posted October 11, 2007 09:57 AM

Eric (Kitchener) wrote:

I find it funny that many people have suggested that MMP would have won if people had taken the time to understand it. MMP was flawed, poorly championed, and most of the claims that were made about it didn't appeal to a lot of us.

MMP didn't deserve to win, and neither did John Tory. But if they did win, I wouldn't have attributed it to voter stupidity or laziness. I picked what appealed to me. I know that the status quo is imperfect, but the alternative was unappealing. I think that it would have been easy to make a good argument for change, but frankly, no one did.

Congrats to John Tory, though, for changing the age-old pattern, and breaking his promises -before- the election. Refreshing.

Posted October 11, 2007 09:51 AM

Stan Welner (Brampton) wrote:

No! No politician or party can sway my vote! This is my job! I am the one who will sway my vote based on what the party does, not says!

Posted October 11, 2007 09:50 AM

Simon (Toronto) wrote:

For all those whining about how MMP would favour minority parties, look at the figures.

Only 52.6% voted of those who could.
Only 42.2% of those who actually bothered to vote chose the Liberals.

So the new government was chosen by a paltry 22.2% of Ontarians.

In other words, a minority...

Posted October 11, 2007 09:46 AM

François Sigouin (Limoges_On) wrote:

There was a lot of voter frustration due to errors in the Registration notices.
1) Incorrect voting location,
2) Thousands of voters without their registration notice,
3) Voter frustration in the line-up for registration.

Some voters in the registration line-up simply walked away. Some voters who did not get their registration notice have been living at the same address all their lives. What happened? The Chief Electoral Officer is accountable and the voters of Ontario deserve an explanation. Surely these errors do not help voter participation. Lets get it right next time.

Posted October 11, 2007 09:38 AM

Les Henderson (Courtright) wrote:

People are like sheep, the leader goes where it chooses and all the rest follow. Even if it were to fall off a cliff those behind will unthinkingly jump right after it. In this election the media told us that the Liberals were going to win a majority and guess what, they did.

I think that polls have a huge influence on the outcome of elections and they should put a halt to all polls taken for 6 months leading up to the election day. That way instead of just playing follow the leader people might actually put some thought into how they vote.

Posted October 11, 2007 09:37 AM

Steve (Toronto) wrote:

To the residents of Thornhill.

One of the proudest features of your riding, which reflects the amount of kids growing up in your neighbourhoods, is the multitude of beautiful, new and well-maintained public schools located at virtually every turn.

The folks on Driftwood Avenue in the city's west end aren't so lucky. Please don't take your schools for granted. Why is it that Steeles Avenue is becoming more and more like a fortress border where residents can retreat at the end of the day and ignore the realities of the GTA at-large? The voting public seemingly has little idea how the city works, and the vitality of providing public education and health care in this province. The Conservative platform would've abandoned you, especially considering that public health has yet to catch up with the population growth (esp. children) in your riding.

Now you're shut out of the public voice. You wanted minority rights...now you're just the minority. You can have your blowhard, college dropout crackpot, Bill O'Reilly wannabe MPP. You can also keep asking for government handouts, it's your god-given right. Just know that your kids are going to have to work ten times harder than you've ever had to, to make ends meet.

Posted October 11, 2007 09:30 AM

Brendan (Brampton) wrote:

Such a shame that the people of Ontario have allowed a chance for electoral reform to slip through their fingers simply because there was a lack of information available on the issue of proportional representation. This was probably the most important referendum in the history of Ontario and indeed it will surely be noted in Canadian history as a great opportunity missed. How can the people of this amazing province/country ever hope to truely represent "all of the people" unless we change this archaic system.

I voted Liberal but I also feel that we need Green Party members and we need independent members, we need to hear the voice of the little guy . Proportional representation works very well in many countries around the world unfortunatly, we are stuck with FPTP for a long time to come. Thanks for allowing me to vent, I feel very strongly on this issue.

p.s. I thought it was funny that Kevin Ashe's team (Ajax Pickering)called my wife on Tuesday and called me on Wednesday to secure our votes. Unfortunately we live in Halton.

Posted October 11, 2007 09:28 AM

Santino (Toronto) wrote:

So 58% of the electorate voted against this government, yet they get 66% of the seats in the legislature. I wonder how many of the 58% voted for FPTP. Its time to change the system.

Posted October 11, 2007 09:25 AM

Ron Betchley (YarkerOntario) wrote:

The combination of the votes cast for the NDP and GREEN parties equal 25% of total votes.

The democratic number of seats representing these voters should therefore be 25% of the 107 seats or 27 seats

But the actual number of seats representing these people who so voted will be only 10.

The Ontario Legislature should correct this inequity without a referendum.

When were the questions of faith schools, taxes and traffic laws ever decided by a general referendum?

Posted October 11, 2007 09:22 AM

Shelley (Burlington) wrote:

I cannot believe that McGuinty got in again. I am so disappointed by my fellow voters. I truly thought that they would see the light this time around ... but apparently I gave them too much credit.

As for MMP - I am glad that it was defeated. Talk about 'taxation without representation' - extra seats paid for by my taxes, and filled by persons not accountable to any group of voters. How would that have been more democratic? Everyone seems to assume that it was voted down due to lack of understanding - I wouldn't be so sure. I spent quite a bit of time researching it, and I conscientiously voted against it.

Posted October 11, 2007 09:20 AM

David V (Brant) wrote:

Well it looks like 2,844,597 Ontarian votes were completely wasted last night, as they (and myself included) voted for one of the parties who now have absolutely no real input into government, other than to shout at them from the opposition benches.

With 42% of the vote the Liberals have a complete monopoly on power for another 4 years. Aren't we glad we kept first past the post?

So why did I bother voting?

Posted October 11, 2007 09:19 AM

Matthew (Toronto) wrote:

What I am trying to get my head around is this excuse from the people who voted 'No' to MMP because they did not know enough about it. If you conciously realised before the vote that you did not know enough about it why did you not go out and find out more? Not understanding or knowing enough about the proposed MMP electoral system is no excuse to vote against it. If you have no clear understanding then you should find out more or simply not vote.

This was a fantastic opportunity for Ontario voters to actually create a more representative for the future. It is an opportunity lost.

I think, in terms of spreading the word about the referendum, the 3 main parites and Elections Ontario can take the blame (although the Liberals obviously prefer FPTP). The rest of the blame lies with the people, we cannot sit back and be told what to do and when to do it and why to do it, sometimes it is up to us to find out important information and to research it ourselves.

Posted October 11, 2007 09:10 AM

Len (Aurora_ON) wrote:

At first I wasn't going to vote...I just didn't see a point to it because I don't like/trust/believe in any of the candidates or parties. I don't believe they govern with the people's best interests at heart. It's more of a 4 year cash grab and positioning themselves for when they get voted out. In the end I pinched my nose and voted. Ya, I felt dirty, went home and showered but now have the right to complain!

Dalton, don't make the mistake of thinking people like you because they loathe you! Your broken promises, deciet and lies will come back to haunt you...it wasn't your victory...it was John Tory stealing defeat from the jaws of victory....he made a huge mistake and you got lucky from it...plain and simple..

Posted October 11, 2007 09:04 AM

Joe Macartney (Kincardine_Ontario) wrote:

Strangely the religious schools issue was not what put me off the Tory campaign. It was an interesting idea however misguided, but not all that critical. (As a retired teacher my experience is that the education system is resilient enough to thrive even under such divisive policies.) No, the thing that rankled about John Tory was that he said he was a leader, a leader different from those he succeeded. That wasn't evident from the TV advertising the Conservatives ran throughout the campaign.

It was evident that John Tory's style was not reflected in the negative attack ads. It was the same old same old form the back room. It was clear evidence that John Tory was not leading his party. His personal stamp was not on the campaign. The "Leadership Matters" mantra rang false.

Dalton McGuinty and the Liberals promoted a much more aligned message in contrast. The Liberal campaign and advertising reflected the personal stamp of the leader of the party. Funny that the one accused of being so weak in that quality actually had a party that had such a unified message, his message. "Firm but Civilized" is working.

I hope the Conservatives discover from this disaster that there is more to being a Conservtive than being personally nasty. They need to go back to the drawing board after cleaning out their back room. I wonder if John Tory is leader enough for that fight.

Posted October 11, 2007 09:01 AM

Dereleek (Sudbury_) wrote:

I dont know what is wrong with the people of Ontario. Liberals are in on a majority and the MMP system lost badly. People need to really start thinking about the politics of our province and country and realize that it has significant impacts on each of our lives. To me it seems most everyone is bound by tradition and afraid of change. Too late now but check out the green party. Give your head a shake Ontario

Posted October 11, 2007 08:39 AM

Robert (Toronto) wrote:

The election turned out as I expected.

John Tory gave a majority government to the Liberals. He went down to defeat personally and caused his party to lose support over his disasterous policy of funding religious schools.

His political judgment is very much in doubt. He raised an issue that he was warned would be highly divisive and it was. I am reminded that he ran Kim Campbell's catastrophic campaign in which the federal Conservatives won only two seats.

I am very curious as to how he, if he remains Conservative leader, deals with the funding issue in the future. If he is smart he will lsiten to the public and his party and never touch it again. Unfortunately, he has already said the issue isn't going away.

I am happy MMP was soundly defeated. It is now time to move on to other issues. We do not need a neverendun referndum on this issue.

MMP is not an answer to our prayers. Having appointed and unelected party hacks sitting in the Legislature is profoundly undemocratic and disgusts me.

Posted October 11, 2007 08:24 AM

James (Windsor_Ontario) wrote:

And yes the Liberals got 71/107 seats = 66.36% of the seats with only 42.19% of the votes or 57.29% greater than vote share of the Lowest Voter turnout in Ontario History(

The MMP vs. FPTP referendum was the worst managed ever in Canadian history! I hope the pollsters/ media follow-up to answer: 1)How many non-spoiled ballets there were vs. regular election ballots, 2)How many Ontarians can actually even tell what the above acronyms mean, 3) How many misconception there are about how MMP would work.

Misinformation or complete lack of information was the norm...Elections Ontario told a person I know(when she called the phone #) that in MMP she couldn't vote for a different Party(list) vs. Candidate(local)...wrong! I suggest if we have another one anywhere in Canada that we add two additional options: 3) None of the above, 4) I don't understand the options.

Citizens Assembly failed too...the "Closed List" created an easy target for opposition to MMP and they could have instead had all MMP List Members selected from using the “Best Runner-up” method on a percentage basis from each party's losing ridings. This same method was proposed in 1976 in UK by the Hansard Society.

This would have meant all members had to run in local elections somewhere and would represent the closest to the public will as possible.

The other issue of less vs. more seats and district effects should have been taken to the public earlier on. You could use what they proposed or keep the 107 and add more MPPs, but it seems this wasn't properly vetted with the public and the cost of those additional MPPs and what they would do was not made clear.

Having members at large who can perhaps focus on larger provincial issues such as Health Care reform on both sides of the floor is a good thing.

Maybe next millennium!

Posted October 11, 2007 08:22 AM

Jon (Hamilton) wrote:

Can it not be up to the VOTER to educate themselves about the new system? If we did exit polls, I would have loved to find out how many people voted no simply because they didnt know what was what. Maybe there could have been a "i dont know' reponse as well to separate these people.

I'm sure all the major news outlets will run an analysis of how each party would have done under the proposed system (or maybe this isnt possible)... but MMP should have passed. Ontario has truly been held back in the past on this one.

Posted October 11, 2007 08:19 AM

Roy Mulders (Midland) wrote:

The greatest concern I have, and should be for all Ontarians, is 'voter apathy'. Wake up Ontario!

Posted October 11, 2007 07:19 AM

Rebecca Brill-Argall (Toronto) wrote:

Whereas John Tory's commitment to faith based funding did not sit well with me (and made me concerned about his judgement) the media in general did very little to open discussion on the many, many topics of urgent importance. Even last night the tv reporter was badgering Kathleen Wynne about what the liberal position would be. THEY ALREADY TOLD US!

I liked Mr Tory and was open to listening, but heard too little. At the end of the day, memories of the Harris-bully regime kept me in the Liberal fold.

Posted October 11, 2007 07:16 AM

anne (toronto) wrote:

We shall see if the elected party makes good on their campaign promises, which in the prior election he managed to blame someone or something else for his inadequacies. Let see if the people of Ontario can lead a good healthy and properous life. We wait but not long to changes in transportation, disability issues, housing and proverty. Will we see MPP salaries go down after they give up their latest pay increase. LETS PUT THIS GOVERNMENT TO THE TEST AND IF HE FAILS CALL FOR ANOTHER ELECTION IMMEDIATELY.

Posted October 11, 2007 06:56 AM

Charles Nearing (Halifax_NS) wrote:

Well done Green Party of Ontario! GPO @ 8%! Hey, but wait...where is the representation? So much for Canadian democracy and to think this change has been labeled a 'protest vote', so sorry, but these votes are real Green Party supporters.
Congratulations GPO!

Posted October 11, 2007 06:44 AM

Merle (Sioux_Lookout) wrote:

I'm glad the MMP referendum failed. It would have made Northern Ontario ridings even larger. It would have created seats that would have been elected by popular vote, which would come largely from Southern Ontario. This would have meant even less clout and importance for Northwestern Ontario, a region that is already almost completely ignored by the politicians and the government.

Posted October 11, 2007 05:11 AM

Raymond Francis (Noordwijk) wrote:

From the CBC's story on the voting-system referendum:

"Despite Elections Ontario's $6.8-million education campaign, which included television advertising and direct mail flyers across the province, many voters appeared unaware the referendum was being held."

And later:

"Supporters ... said the government failed to fund a proper campaign to inform voters"

The electoral reform process, with its Citizens' Assembly and parallel youth assembly, plus advertising and comprehensive websites about the process and the proposed electoral system, have been going on literally for years.

But, as usual, it seems you can lead a horse to water, but you can't stop him from complaining that you didn't give him anything to drink.

Democracy -- "rule by the people" -- is only as good as the people. And if people are too lazy to pay attention to what's going on, we'll be ruled by people who don't know what's going on.

Whether the proposed system was an improvement or not, it was rejected not for its merits or flaws, but because of general ignorance.

Posted October 11, 2007 03:40 AM

Chaim Moykopf (Ottawa) wrote:

The very fact that this election has been reduced to a highly emotional and irrational debate about faith based schools shows me that the way this society celebrates multiculturalism is nothing but lip service. It reminds me of the heated asylum debate in Europe where refugees are painted as pests and parasites, flooding Western civilization and threatening the mainstream culture of the white secular postmodern citizen.

Suddenly, all the economical, ecological and health issues that should have made the front pages during this election campaign retreated behind a wall of 50 000 kids whose parents just claimed what had been unjustified granted to one single group. Suddenly, these 50 000 kids were painted as narrow minded, retarded, asocial and future terrorists who would need to be “properly educated” and “properly integrated” into the secular school system; the same school system that questions the value of a veil and a yarmulke but has no problem to spread the dubious value of dangling crosses from the exposed and pierced body parts of its half naked kids. At least those who are preaching equality of rights should have known better.

However, they fuelled the Angst of a public who seems to loose faith in the strength of their secular faith. Shame on you Ontario, shame on you!

Posted October 11, 2007 03:38 AM

Steve McCallum (Glencoe_Ontario) wrote:

Congratulations Ontario! We now have 4 more years of Dalton "Norman Bates" McGuinty. The main bone of contention in this election was funding for faith based schools. At least Mr. Tory would have put it to a free vote.

Do you honestly think that if McGuinty is pressured by these religious groups that he won't do another turn around and give them funding? Of course now that you have given him a majority, he can just go ahead and do it without any free vote. I see another HUGE broken promise in our politically correct future.

Posted October 11, 2007 03:26 AM

T. Alexandrova (Ottawa__ON) wrote:

It blows me away that ANYONE would vote against proportional representation, given that roughly two-thirds of votes are completely worthless under the current system. Why do you people even bother to vote? It sickens me that in a democracy ANYONE would think that the majority of votes shouldn't count. Clearly, voters have no brains - 40 cents a year is too high an expense to have a country in which voting actually counts. Well, I won't bother to vote anymore, when voter turnout hits 20%, you may want to rethink it. Politicians will get elected whether your votes count or not.

Posted October 11, 2007 02:51 AM

Charles (Orillia) wrote:

Is a mindless diversion to an insignificant side issue really enough to distract Ontarians from who they really voted in? Did it really take so little time to forget that nothing our new Premier-Elect has promised will ever see the light of day. For that matter, he may just as easily change his mind and implement private school funding. Perhaps that was merely another 'promise' like all the others from last campaign.

And it is a comfort to know that my vote along with the other 58% of Ontarians that did not vote liberal is completely wasted, as this mere 42% has obtained a full majority stranglehold on the governance of Ontario. But that is apparently how Ontarians like there elections, or at least how the liberals prefer them to like them, as they never truly gave MPP a fighting chance. Yet another win for the fear mongers and guardians of the status quo. I hope we like our province like we like our politics: Directionless, Insignificant and a Relic of the Past...as I fear that's what Ontario will become.

Posted October 11, 2007 02:34 AM

stylus (thornhill) wrote:

I voted against of MMP because I dont belive that people live better in contryes where this system is curently in use like germany,hungury,venezuela or new zealand or any other most of the time this system prove to be very unstable and corrupt.Also I am for NO funding to any religious schools.I belive religious schooles should be sponsored by religeous organizations and not by the goverment or tax payers money.......

Posted October 11, 2007 02:03 AM

Ghlobe (Toronto) wrote:

Even though this might have been a depressing night for the supporters of the MMP system, they do themselves no favour by insulting the intelligence of the electorate. Calling us Ontarians dumbs or stupid or brainwashed for not agreeing with your proposal does not win you our vote.

The problem with this referendum was that the choices were limited to FPFP and MMP. There are several other options, such as STV, that were not included. Most people I talked to had a fairly clear idea of how MMP works, and did not particularly like it for reasons mentioned by others here.

IN fact, the referendum was the only part of this election that was decided by a true proportional representative vote. So supporters of MPP cannot really complain about the process.

Posted October 11, 2007 01:37 AM

J. Solhi (Toronto) wrote:

Hi, everybody's talking about the wrong campaign. How about the affects of more than 8 years of Mike Harris government. Ontario has the largest population of new citizens (new landed immigrants in Mike Harris era, those were faced with the harshness of Tory's government in economic section). Dalton McGuinty's government has done a great job in regard to the U.S economic and the amount of deficit inherited from the past. Tonight, he said "we are Ontario and to have progress in the future we need to stay as One." Therefore, we need to think Public not walking to the pass of privatization with the public funds. Peace.

Posted October 11, 2007 01:32 AM

Jason Johnson (Burlington) wrote:

Imagine the voter turn out if parties kept their promises.

Posted October 11, 2007 01:29 AM

Brian Reitzel (Waterloo) wrote:

I'm angry and disappointed. I'm angry about all the attention given to faith based schools. I blame the media and the Liberal and Conservative parties for that. It was a great way to distract voters from more important issues like health care and energy.

I'm disappointed that the government didn't make more of an effort to inform voters about the referendum. Standing in line at the voting station I could tell from the look on other voters faces that they were surprised to get two ballots. "Referendum? What referendum?"

Mostly, I am disappointed that 8% isn't enough to get you a seat in the house. It's not even enough to provide a chance to speak in the leaders debate. What a democracy we live in.

Posted October 11, 2007 01:28 AM

Ryan (Thornhill) wrote:

Its a sad day in Ontario when politicians can can get elected with broken promises. The Liberal hypocrisy astounds me. We have enough money to fund 90 percent of religious schools in the province, but we do not have enough money to fund the other ten percent who are not catholic like Mcguinty is.

Posted October 11, 2007 01:27 AM

DC (Ottawa) wrote:

I'm happy Ontarians not only didn't support the MMP system, but outright defeated it. Score one for effective government. The beauty of the old system is that every riding counts, because it doesn't take much to throw a government out of office. Cheers.

Posted October 11, 2007 01:16 AM

Jeff (Thunder_Bay) wrote:

I was quite disappointed with the lack of support for the MMP system of government. One person mentioned the increased support for the Green Party as a possible advantage, but more legislature seats and more taxes being paid to pay these members as negative points. I feel that this system was not properly conveyed to voters throughout the election campaign. Even some experts had difficulties explaining the system to the average voter.

I fully supported the MMP system because it allows for the popular vote to have some weight when it comes to the selection of MPP's. We saw tonight the Liberal party under Dalton McGuinty retain its majority standing at Queen's Park, yet receiving less than 50% of the vote. Although the MMP voting system would bode well for so-called "fringe" parties, we must also agree that it may keep the "big dogs" in check.

I look to the republic and the catastrophic results from its 2000 Presidential Election where Mr. Gore, who won the popular vote, lost to Little Bush because of the distribution of constituencies across that nation accompanied by that nation's way of having electoral colleges represented. Just because one person wins 13 of the 25 electoral colleges does not mean that same person should have all 25 colleges as supporting him.

Alas, I must wait for another while to see the MMP system be brought up again. Hopefully then we will receive better information regarding the system. Thank you for allowing me this forum to express my disappointment.

Posted October 11, 2007 01:10 AM

mike preston (cobalt) wrote:

50% voter turnout decides the race...that tells me that 50% just really don't care about who is running things and the reason for that is that Ontarians are enjoying a magnificent economy, almost everyone has what they want, and this sense of contentment makes them lackadasical with an attitude of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
...there's no need to vote when things are going perfectly well....

Posted October 11, 2007 12:52 AM

Jackie (Don_Vally_West) wrote:

John Tory lost to nobody but himself...so dispointed...

Posted October 11, 2007 12:51 AM

Rob (brooklin) wrote:

Wow, only 1/2 of us took the effort to vote, I am embarrassed by this and we should do something to change it! My first question to someone complaining about the government in the next fours years will be, "Did you vote in the last election"? I am sure the guys and girls in Afganistan would have.

With respect to the referendum, why would anyone want to add another 22 MPP's to the payroll? The 22 new MPPS, support staff, office space, utilities and real estate would be too expensive to support.

If you do not support the current system find another option, without adding millions of dollars to our debt and my taxes.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:48 AM

Clive (Cambridge) wrote:

So it's four more years of good old Dalton McGuilty. No, that's not a typo. He's guilty alright - guilty of lying to the people of Ontario, of making promises and keeping virtually none of them, of grossly mismanaging this province of ours. And now we have to endure another four years of this nightmare. To everyone who voted Liberal in this election, I sincerely hope that you (some day, because it won't happen any time soon) come to your senses and realize the terrible mistake you have made. You have committed our province to another four years of hell. Do we really deserve this? Do we? When will you understand that Dalton McGuilty and the Liberals are last group morons you should be voting for? Why do you keep blindly making the same mistake over and over again? Why? I walk away shaking my head sadly.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:46 AM

Mike D (StCatharines) wrote:

I stand corrected, MMP would in fact add more MPPs then what there is currently. Somehow I ironically proved my own point though that people are ill informed by being ill informed myself ha. Personally, I think the cost of a few extra MPPs would be worth the fairness of MMP though.

As far as the minority goverment issue. If I have done the calculations correct... Say this election used the MMP system and the same percentage of standard ridings were won by the Liberals.. currently 70/107 or 65%. That would translate to about 59/90 of the MMP seats. The Liberals have about 42% of the popular vote (currently) and that would translate to about 16 of the 39 proportional seats. Therefore the Liberals would have 59 plus 16 or 75/139 seats. That would constitute a majority still. Slim, but sitll a majority. So arguing that you cant get anything done, or can't have a majority in MMP is false.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:43 AM

Anna (Newmarket) wrote:

When I heard the results of the elections, I was speechless. I am absolutely astonished that McGuinty was re-elected. How can people sleep at night knowing they elected this person is beyond me. I am also shocked beyond belief that the referendum was unsuccessful. I was expecting the vote to be around 90% in favour. Maybe that was a bit too optimistic, but I cannot believe the results. It is absolutely horrifying.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:43 AM

Anon (Toronto) wrote:

To clarify for both sides on MPP:
129 MMP seats in total (90 riding, 39 proportional) vs
107 current ridings
= 22 new salaries
@ $110,000 each
= 2.2 million

Which is very little considering that is less then the funding for almost any one of the programs in the 2007 budget (http://www.ontariobudget.ca/english/). Autism and tree planting are notable exceptions, and mainly notable because they got so little funding.

I don't believe that the MMP was soundly defeated by people who didn't know about the referendum. From my observation there were only about 10% of people at the polls (in Toronto) that seemed surprised or confused. However, ignorance seems to have taken its toll based on the comments here.

A sad result for those of us who want more representation for all, not just those who voted for the winner of the riding.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:38 AM

Duane Smith (Niagara_Falls) wrote:

I'm very discouraged that the whole province could allow themselves to be so misinformed over the faith based school issue. The issue obviously decided this campaign, as Mr McGuinty knew he couldn't really make any promises that could be taken seriously. I feel like 75% of Americans right now who are not proud of their leader, and we have four whole years to go! The past four years had little integrity and the next four will likely have less.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:34 AM

Richard Vaughan (Guleph) wrote:

Unfortunately although the new MMP does have some clear benefits, especially for Green Party supporters, it's clear that a large portion of the voters, myself included, didn't have a clear understanding of the new system. Another reason it may not have gone through is that many don't like the idea of legislature increasing by 22 seats. Although democracy is a wonderful thing, taxes are not.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:29 AM

steve (toronto) wrote:

Good thing he didn't add another "TIME" to the time and time again. NDP were in power 90-95. Guess the voting system worked back then. Too bad we changed it since. ???

Posted October 11, 2007 12:21 AM

Jennifer (WindsorTecumseh) wrote:

I cannot believe that once again the people of this province are so oblivious to the crisis facing our communities that they would re-elect McGuinty and his ever unpredictable and unreliable Liberals.

Especially in my neck of the woods where our two re-elected doofuses have some how managed to pull the wool over it astonishes me that anyone could reward them for their incompetance. Two cabinet ministers at that.

Our Town and our workers are dying and all that Pupatello and Duncan have to offer is window dressing, and failed attempts to do anything to ease the blood letting of our pocket books and and our healthcare. Only more of the same is in store for everyone in Ontario. When will people wake up. The lethargy of our citizens is or downfall.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:21 AM

Cristin S (Mississauga) wrote:

I don't think that Ontarians don't care about elections. I think that they are disillusioned. They don't think that the political process helps their lives, so they don't bother with it. This is different than not caring.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:20 AM

Ali (Toronto) wrote:

Voting tonight I recalled the promises made pre-election by good ol' Dalton McSleazy the last time around. I want to say this now so that 1-2 months into his latest round in power when everyone is complaining about his latest broken promises or reductions in services or whatever else WILL go wrong, remember that YOU put him in that seat, and YOU are accountable. It is time for Ontarians to wake up and vote with their heads not according to pre-election promises, only WE can promote change and accountability. For all those that did not vote in this election you have no right to complain either!

Posted October 11, 2007 12:20 AM

Cristin S (Mississauga) wrote:

I'll tell you what the protest vote is. It is the 50% of Ontarians who didn't vote in the election on October 10! People don't trust government, they don't believe that their voices will make a difference! The reason that 54% of people voted in the referendum (4% more than who voted in the provincial election) is that these are the people who couldn't cast a ballot in an unfair system, but who hoped that a new system would give them a voice in the future. None of us in Ontario won today because we lost the opportunity for electoral reform.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:17 AM

desrt (Hamilton) wrote:

Gerry:

Photo ID is not required to vote. The DRO didn't need to check your face.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:15 AM

DAVE (ottawa) wrote:

Ashoka Patel (Ottawa)
A vote for NDP isn't useless.
Last I checked they won a while back.
Mind you if I remember the prov couldn't get far enough away from them as soon as they had the chance.
I voted for them once. When I finish paying for it I might vote for them again.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:10 AM

Arshed (Don_Valley_East) wrote:

I was expecting the Liberals to be 'punished' by the voters for breaking its promises of the last electionsI. It seems both the Conservatives and the NDP 'failed' to highlight that in the campaigh.

They also did not highlight enought the 'real' issues people of Ontario specifically those living in Toronto wanted to hear about.(proposed new taxes, Poverty, crime, and tuition on the rise. Public housing, public transit and health care).

NDB talks and means good for the working families,however if they want to turn their popular vote into seats they will have to work much harder in Toronto. They have alot more potential vote here,however I have never seen a'door to door' campaign by them in my area.

Meeting your potential voter when dropping your card still makes a huge difference.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:00 AM

Ashoka Patel (Ottawa) wrote:

I'm very disappointed that the referendum was not passed. I felt the new system would have put increased pressure on individual candidates to stand on their own platform versus riding the coat tails of their party. Secondly, the old system really makes a vote for the NDP and Green party superfluous and maintains the status quo on the two “powerhouse” political parities. Who have failed time and time again to address issues concerning the environment.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:00 AM

Chris Thickson (Barrie_On) wrote:

People keep saying MMP has enjoyed success is Germany and other countries. I say do these people read the news?

These countries have weak Governments that are dependent on small emotion parties (ie the Green Party). Not only that there are more elections. I am glad it was voted down.

Also I am glad the Liberals won. they are planning a new holiday that helps me, deantal care for myself and family and public funding for education. John Tory and the Tories were 0 for 3 in my main choices for voting.

Posted October 11, 2007 12:00 AM

Phil Lajoie (Guelph) wrote:

I applaud the government for finally putting forward the idea of electoral reform. While I hoped for change myself, it's clear that the people of Ontario did not.

I don't think anyone can complain now about the Liberals not having a majority of the vote but the majority of seats - it was the Liberals that offered an alternative to the FPTP system and it was turned down.

Don't blame poor advertising either - it was a complex issue that could not be easily advertised other than notifying people that it was being voted on and sending them to a website. The official websites did an excellent job of explaining both systems.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:59 PM

Jamie Mason (Ottawa) wrote:

I was happy MMP did not pass. I really liked the idea, however I was not sold on the change from 107 voted seats down to 90. I felt that if regions had to amalgamate it would have come at the expense of smaller communities and they would have lost representation. Had the council come up with a solution to not lose seats I would have voted for MMP.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:59 PM

Russ Pagulayan (Milton) wrote:

Certain people may bemoan the loss of MMP, but the entire proposal was poorly thought out. I do not want to have to pay for more MPPs, especially ones that are not directly accountable to the people of Ontario. MMP waters down the democratic voice of the people of Ontario because there would be fewer MPPs representing the constituency of Ontario. The constituents of Ontario would lose under MMP, while the politicians would gain. That's not a model that makes sense to me.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:57 PM

Steven (Etobicoke) wrote:

This is a great day for Ontario. We have killed the horrible idea of MMP. Votes knew it would be a step backwards for democracy in all of Canada and has saved us from the difficult governing situation that is seen in Germany and New Zealand

Posted October 10, 2007 11:56 PM

dave (ottawa) wrote:

dawn.

your vote counts.

Popular votes might not sway this election as much as ppl would like but if your watching you can hear the term green party almost every 3 or 4 min's.

Forget thinking a vote doesn't count. Each and every one of them is counted. Green party might be a contender next time. It's a peany at a time.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:51 PM

Justin (St_Thomas) wrote:

I voted in a riding with a strong Conservative and Liberal presence. I voted NDP. I knew my vote counted for nothing. I wish our system was a little bit more democratic. Maybe we should have a referendum on something like that... make it so that every vote from everyone no matter where you are from counts. We can call it "Mixed Member Proportional Representation", and it will keep governments who have less than half of popular support from weilding complete power.

Wait - we just did.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:50 PM

Clive (Cambridge) wrote:

I have been reading the other comments and I have noticed that a LOT of people have said that the referendum was very poorly undertaken. They are saying that people were very poorly educated about the two choices and that when it came time to choose they chose FPTP, i.e. the status quo.

I submit that very few people even bothered to find out properly what the Mixed Member Proportional system is all about. If they had, it would have won. The very fact that FPTP won by a landslide proves my point beyond a doubt. People didn't care, couldn't be bothered to find out more about it, said to themselves, "Ah screw it, I'll just go with what we've got already, it seems to work well enough". As long as this kind of mentality prevails referendums will continue to fail and elections will continue to misrepresent the true wishes of the people of Ontario and of Canada.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:48 PM

Peter Rogers (Toronto_ParkdaleHigh_Park) wrote:

Is someone going to take Elections Ontario to task for their terrible campaign to educate people about the referendum issue? It's disappointing that MMP didn't pass and the low voter turnout shows just how little Ontarians seem to care about elections in general.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:47 PM

Jeff Evans (Brights_Grove) wrote:

Funding for faith based schools was clearly defeated tonight.

Now our government needs to serve all Ontarions equally and fund only one school system.

Our public school system.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:44 PM

dave (ottawa) wrote:

bravo Chris (Kitchener)
I voted for FPTP because I was educated. I spent the better part of my free time during the last weeks learning about MMP.

Oh and last time I checked the popular vote was heard. At least for this issue.

Something on DM's kids not going to public school.. So what. He didn't say private schools shouldn't exist. What I understand is he said is we shouldn't pay for them. When I have kids if I can afford it they'll go private. I did public and my wife did private. Guess who did better in university...

Posted October 10, 2007 11:44 PM

Katy (North_Bay) wrote:

During the campaign, I made a very simple observation, one that I'm sure many other Ontario citizens can agree with: all the party leaders were able to muster was the ablity to beat up the other. Nothing was accomplished in the debates, and many of the key campaign issues were ignored.

As a young voter, I am able to say that this becomes very distracting to the voting population, especially to those of us who are just stepping into the political stage. When did it become acceptable to disregard your platform and disrespect fellow campaign leaders? Nothing has ever been accomplished this way, and it's about time that politicians cleaned up their act, especially if they want the majority of the votes to come from young voters.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:40 PM

Dawn (Waterloo) wrote:

i voted, my vote ended up not making a difference.

i feel like it didn't matter anyways what i said (voted).

my voice is silenced for another 4 years. even after perhaps...

Posted October 10, 2007 11:39 PM

Mike D (St_Catharines) wrote:

The comments by some individuals opposed to MMP clearly demonstrates the ignorance towards the system. If these people were properly informed they would know that NO ADDITIONAL SEATS would be added to parliment. Where are people gettings these figures? 30 Additional seats?? If these people took the time to educate themselves, they would know that the electoral ridings would be modified so that there would be LESS ridings total (each riding would consist of more area/population then currently). The additional seats used for the proportional representatives would come from this difference and thus there would be no overall change in the number of seats. No extra taxpayer money used to pay MPPs, because theres the same amount! Moot point!!

Posted October 10, 2007 11:37 PM

tOM Trottier (Ottawa) wrote:

As usual, 42% of the electorate elected the liberals into a 68% majority. They had a chance to change this with MMP, where they could vote both for a person and a party, but it wasn't explained well, and people were afraid.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:37 PM

Chris (Kitchener) wrote:

I'm amazed at the number of people who claim that MMP lost due to voter misunderstanding. It's hard to believe that all 63% of us who voted for First Past the Post are dumb or uneducated and only voted for FPP because we didn't vote for MMP.

FPP is not be perfect, but there's so many more issues related to MMP -- individual politicians not accountable to electors (look at Sarnia), smaller parties holding larger parties hostage on specific issues, greater potential for more elections, and the list goes on.

At least with FPP, if a party really messes up, a new one takes its place at the next election.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:35 PM

Keith (Toronto) wrote:

I think it's a shame that the MMP proposal was so poorly presented to the public. The brochure sent out was worded in a most confusing manner. The FPTP system is flawed beyond belief, not to mention antiquated. Why should somebody represent a riding where they do not get the majority of the votes? If we are to accept that due to the nature of the beast, we should at least award representation to those parties that win a certain percentage of the vote! The MMP would give the also-rans a better chance at being heard, and affecting change. I'm tired of the Blue/Red see-saw.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:33 PM

Andrew K (Scarborough) wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong regarding how MMP works, but I can't see how anyone could vote against such a system. Have you never been faced with a tough decision, whereby you like the ideology or the party, but don't like the leader, or the local candidate, and so on?

I've been faced with this issue during each election: I like the party, or that party's core ideologies, but I don't care about the local member (and how WOULD I know anything about him/her when the bulk of the press coverage goes to the leader, and maybe a few cabinet ministers?), or I don't like the leader.

If I want to be able to vote for the Insert Name Here Party of Canada (or Ontario), but my local candidate's views are not representative of the party's views (ex: my local federal Liberal candidate), I should have the right to do that.

Tell me: What do you vote for? The party? The leader? The ideology? Or the candidate in your riding?

Posted October 10, 2007 11:30 PM

Rahim (Mississauga) wrote:

From a high school students point of view, I believe John Terry is too negative by focusing so much on his competition, the Liberals, rather than focusing so much on what us Canadians want. Its very simple to get my attention as a minor, so that in the future i would already have my mind set on voting for PC in the next four years. He could be able to captivate all the booming minds of teens in ontario, by focusing on what what we see, like education, and health care, and safer streets. If 88 Year Old Mayor of Mississauga Hazel Mccallion can do it, so can he.

I'd Like to thank Peter Fonseca & Amyn Mawani for doing a GREAT job in my area. They know how to "Rock The Vote"!

Posted October 10, 2007 11:29 PM

Aaron Wilson (Thunder_Bay) wrote:

I am hugely disapointed with the results of tonights referenmdum. I am ashamed of the mainstream parties and of the people in Ontario for not recognizing and acknowledging the importance of proportional representation. It is clear to me that the committment to the ideals of democracy have been lost at best to private interets and at worst to ignorance on the part of our leading parties and our citizens.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:29 PM

K Driscoll (Kingston) wrote:

When Dalton was elected last time, he blamed his inability to fulfill campaign promises on an unexpected deficit left as a legacy by the PCs. It will be interesting to see who he blames this time.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:28 PM

Cheshire (Windsor) wrote:

Re: Tom(Toronto)
You say you believe our economy is prospering, have you personally been to such cities as Windsor where your all hailed McGuinty and his pal Pupatello have ignored the struggling economy that is being draggged down by the lack of support regarding jobs and tunneling.

As your Premier puts his time into your riding, this does not mean his party looks at the other ridings.

To the other gentlemen from Manitoba who suggested we vote in another NDP government, im sorry that you were not in our province during the Bob Rae years when deficits where at an all time high. I will say it now i will say it again, the NDP platform does not know how to smoothly run an economically sound government. Their platform is based on "dumbing down" their policies for immigrants and "working class citizens". In our day and age socialism does not work in free market economies, where more and more are we seeing the influx of corporations and globalization.

Re: Izabelle, you say that while you were in high school you were subject to hardships under the Conservative Government? Mike Harris did what he said he was going to do, he said he would upgrade the curriculum, bring it up to standard with other countries. He did that, strikes were not caused by Harris but by lazy teachers who didnt want to have a different much tougher curriculum. Books? Their still crumbling today as well as school buildings. That has truly no relevance in how education in Ontario is run. McGuinty has said that he does not support faith based funding, yet his own children did not attend public schools. McGuinty has not said whether or not more moneywill go towards public schools, so what has really been accomplished?

Posted October 10, 2007 11:28 PM

Charlie (Ontario) wrote:

Shame on the CBC. Your main TV broadcast cut away from NDP leader Howard Hampton's speach in favour of a live interview bit with the premier re-elect. Couldn't you have taped it and ran it as soon as Hampton was done? A decision that really lacked in class on the CBC's part.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:28 PM

Jared (Toronto) wrote:

The CBC should be ashamed for cutting off Howard Hampton's speech for a Mcguinty interview. This confirms that the media in Ontario, looking for sound bites instead substance, does not live up their responsibility to bring the news without bias to the people of ontario, and what makes this situation even worse, is that the CBC is a public broadcaster.

Shame on the CBC for its obsequious grovelling before the winner of a political campaign

Posted October 10, 2007 11:28 PM

Marianne Moershel (Prince_Edward__Hastings) wrote:

Hey! I wanted to hear all of Hampton's speech. You broadcast the complete Tory and McGuinty speeches. It was rude to cut him off!

Posted October 10, 2007 11:25 PM

dave (ottawa) wrote:

I'm currious for the north. What would have been the benifits.

The merging of the seats (oh and don't think the already under represented north wouldn't feel this cut) or the "popular vote" aka the big city vote.

No on to it.. The MMP seems to be a road map to minorty gov. I'm not a liberal lover (lesser of evil) but seems to me that the only thing worse than making a bad decision is making no decision. At least Majority Gov's move.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:22 PM

John Watson (Windsor) wrote:

The forest industry has lost jobs and the NDP pick up seats. Windsor is the economice basket case of Ontario. and the same Liberals win here? So much for the NDP Union auto industry voters. I guess that is a myth!

Posted October 10, 2007 11:21 PM

R. Rap (Niagara_Falls) wrote:

Thank goodness the MMP option failed. I couldn't stand the thought of 30 more seats on the taxpayers payroll and expense account. That's 30 less people to pass pay raises for themselves - the only piece of legislation that moves through the house at lightening speed. Now if you want real electoral reform - instead of voting for a candidate in your riding and a party - let's vote for a for a Premier and then a local candidate. Perhaps then we can get a Premier who would be more inclined to listen to what all MPP's have to say.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:20 PM

Gerry (etobicoke_ontario) wrote:

This was a most difficult election for me. Mr. McGuinty does not deserve to be re-elected, but Mr. Tory represented a very unattractive alternative in terms of underscoring our culteral differences through publicly supported religious schools.

As a consequence, I felt I had to base my vote solely on the merits of my local candidates, which is not an accurate reflection at all of my political persuasions. I hope that the next election will permit me to vote for both my party and my candidate.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:20 PM

emile (peterborough) wrote:

For those who say it's hard to understand MMP, Its not so tough; one vote for the party you wish to represent you in queens park and one vote for the MP you wish to represent you in your riding. To me it's alot simpler than First past the post system which does not spread power according to democratic standards but instead takes advantage of a two party system.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:19 PM

Mike D (St_Catharines) wrote:

I did not vote in the election itself, because quite frankly none of the party platforms or candidates impressed me.

However, I did vote in the referendum. I am shocked and in disbelief at how few people voted for MMP. Based on the undeniable improvements to the democratic process such a system provides I figured this would easily pass - yet it clearly hasn't even come close. I'm afraid that the public has been terribly misinformed, and many have simply checked off the first option (the existing system) due to sheer ignorance or an overall inertia to change. Unbelievable.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:18 PM

James McLaren (Ottawa) wrote:

What a depressing result. We have another majority government with only 42% of the vote, and the referendum on electoral reform has been defeated. The odd thing is that it was defeated on the lie that MMP means more power for political parties, when the reality is it means far less. To what extent did the two major parties propagate these lies, I wonder?

Posted October 10, 2007 11:16 PM

RonFreedman (Kingston_) wrote:

I think it's important to vote and to remember
what past parties have done to the province of Ontario I think Dalton is on the right road but he can't be wishy washy in his decision he has to be honest and true and he will do well for Ontario and it's people lets be proud to be Canadian and from Ontario

Posted October 10, 2007 11:15 PM

random guy (NewmarketAurora) wrote:

It's very saddening to me that the people of this province have been brainwashed by the media

to think that one very small issue can make a party lose an election is freighting. The media has been such a killer to the P.C because they didn't even mention all of the broken promises Dalton has made. I still can't believe the media has not said a word about how Dalton's own children attend a Catholic school.Apparently his speech about his kids meaning more than anything to him, was one of his broken promises for these four years.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:15 PM

Jim Marshall (Cornwall_Ontario) wrote:

With the defeat of the MMP proposal, dare we hope to one day... "make politicians history"?

Posted October 10, 2007 11:15 PM

Michael Slattery (TorontoTrinitySpadina) wrote:

Hi guys,

Did you know that 'tory' means thief in Gaellic?

Dalton McGuinty's acceptance speech was horrible; the man looked confident and yet tremendously relieved, like someone who knows that they've pulled off a fluke.

Your broadcast is hokey.

Cheers!

Posted October 10, 2007 11:14 PM

Danny (Brampton) wrote:

All I have to say is HA!

There you go, complain, cry and call everyone who voted liberal stupid or ignorant but the reality is Ontario...a vast majority of Ontario want Liberals to lead them.

Kudos to Dalton to being fundimentally unlikable and yet able to landslide against the platformless smear artists.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:13 PM

Joseph Playfair (Toronto) wrote:

To the question, "what would the election results have looked like under MMP?"

It's not easy to say exactly because the proposals involved changing our 107 ridings into 90 new ridings, and we do not know what would have happened in those 90 hypothetical ridings.

However, we can make calculations, assuming we keep the existing 107 ridings and "top them up" with the proposed 39 new MMP seats, for a 146-seat legislature, and have a threshold of 3% of the popular vote for parties to be eligible for the MMP seats.

Given this scenario, the current popular vote breakdown as of the time of this writing, and the current projected seat count of LIB 71, PC 25, NDP 11, and GRN 0, the MMP results would be something like:

LIB 71
PC 42
NDP 23
GRN 10

Note that in this scenario, the Liberals would be just short of the 74 seats needed for a majority, but could achieve a majority in the house with the support of any of the other 3 parties.

That wouldn't have been such a bad result, would it?

Posted October 10, 2007 11:13 PM

Becky (Chatsworth_ON) wrote:

Yep :) I typically voted Liberal but this time around, Shane Jolley of Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound got my vote! He is an excellent candidate and an excellent man and I would definitely continue to support him in ANY further elections.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:12 PM

Greg Deakin (Owen_Sound_) wrote:

Green Party Candidate, Shane Jolley in Owen Sound receives almost 35% of the vote and a stong 2nd place. The highest % EVER received by the Greens in Canada.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:11 PM

Luisa Valencia (Mississauga) wrote:

I like the the Liberals won.They have good ideas, and plans.I think that the MMP system for electing was a very good system, and it would have been good to have a change in Ontario.Unfortunatley, I think many people did not know much about this, therefore it did not get chosen.The MMP would help the smaller partys get a say in the Legislature.Also it is similar to the First-Past-The-Post,except with more freedom, and choice for electing The Ontario Goverment.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:11 PM

Emile Hummel (peterborough) wrote:

I recieved my first and only piece of litterature concerning the referendum today around 5pm, four hours before the poles closed. I am deeply dismayed that people are not concentrating on learning about and repairing a failing democratic system which no longer serves ontarians fairly.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:08 PM

Noah Carroll (Edmonton_Alberta) wrote:

I was glad to see the Liberals take another healthy majority this evening. I moved to Alberta about a year ago, but I was happy to be able to watch the coverage on Newsworld.

What I didn't like was when Peter Mansbridge (as much as I love his newsacasting) cutting off my Ontario political fix at 9:00! At least mself, and the thousands of other Ontarian migrants in the country, can squint at the warm electrical fuzz of the online stream.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:08 PM

Duncan (KitchenerWaterloo) wrote:

The results of the referendum on electoral reform disappoint me. Many of the MPPs elected using the first-past-the-post voting system including my riding's incumbent are elected with less than 40% of the popular vote. With similar results across the province, the democratic process would benefit greatly from any kind of proportional representation.

Of the friends and neighbours that I spoke to about the referendum, most were unaware of the question, and those who knew the question were unclear on the details. One of the most common comments I got in discussing the Mixed Member Proportional System was where exactly the list member would come from and their obligation only to the party.

One of the largest clinchers of the referendum was the lack of media coverage. Without proper information of the public and education about the voting systems done through a convenient medium, it is no wonder why many found the question to be vague. It is hard to answer a question which is not fully understood.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:08 PM

R2K (Markham) wrote:

Just a few thoughts:
* Apparently, lair-liar is not an effective campaign platform. I don't think 'pants on fire' will do any better.
* can someone please add charisma to the minimum requirements for party leadership? - I'm looking at you DM, HH, ...
* Is Dalton the first poli-trick-tian to ever lie?
* what exactly is the point of the NDP?
* please, someone find the folks in charge of educating the public on the MMP and get our money back!

Posted October 10, 2007 11:07 PM

Jason (Ajax_ON) wrote:

I'm glad the Liberals won majority as the Liberals didn't make a whole lot of mistakes in my opinion.

I've now been getting a $100 work related benefit each month, returning all empty alcoholic bottles and cans to the Beer Store which gets me 10 or 20 cents a piece, and they are going to put an end to Street Racing to make our roads much safer.

I believed that Dalton did his best and deserves to serve another term right until October 2011.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:05 PM

Ruth Hirtenfeld (Mildmay_Ont_HuronBruce) wrote:

Just a thank you for the clarity of your broadcast and the excellent commentary. I liked the side bares which kept an ongoing update of the areas I was interested in and the brightness of the graphing and pie charts meant I could immediately see the overall picture. A job well done by CBC.

Ruth Hirtenfeld

Posted October 10, 2007 11:04 PM

Tamara (Hamilton) wrote:

I'm so disappointed in the results of the referendum. It would be easier to accept the defeat of MPP if I believed that most people in Ontario believed in the First-Past-the-Post system. However, the vast majority of people I talked to didn't know a thing about either electoral system. I think far more should have been done to educate voters. I also think voters should have taken the initiative to learn about both and make an educated decision. However, I think that most people just don't care.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:04 PM

Anonymous (ScarboroughEast) wrote:

This is a sad, sad, sad day for elections in Ontario, not because we voted for Dalton, John Howard, or any other party; it’s a sad day only because we, the electoral voices, have been silenced.

If you followed politics, the end result might be what you expected. An excellent incumbent and the belief of a great party still can not be expressed through our votes.

Again we saw people vote 'against' parties, policies; and not 'for' what they want. And this time also with an opportunity for positive change.

Tonight we saw the electoral system fail. To all Ontarians best wishes and hopefully next time you are given a responsibility you will take it to heart, and spend a little more thought to what it means to have democracy, to have a real vote.

Posted October 10, 2007 11:00 PM

Jason Sykes (St_Catharines) wrote:

It is very disappointing that the MMP vote failed. However more disappointing is probably the major reason why. Lack of information to the public. The government and the parties really made no effort to inform the public one way or another about MMP, and people generally do not accept the unknown. I suppose there is very little reason why the government have though, the Liberals and the Conservatives continue to benefit from the 'FTPT' more correctly known as single member plurality system. Compare the Liberal's Popular vote to their seat share in this election alone ...

Posted October 10, 2007 10:59 PM

Nabil (Toronto) wrote:

It looks like fear and bigotry won in this election! However, the issue of faith based schooling has just begun. Either fund all religions equally or none at all! Tory failed to realize that most Ontarians believe in ONE educational system, and I believe that if he decided to eliminate the Catholic system, the majority of Ontarians would support him! However, since the public is aware of the issue, McGuinty will be forced to deal with it!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:59 PM

Paul (SmithvilleON) wrote:

You missed the two big stories of this election:

1) The case FOR faith-based schools: Not that I agree. It’s just that not once was it clearly stated. It would have been interesting to hear a clear spokesperson for this issue. The PC’s didn’t state it, and you didn’t cover it.

2) The Liberals’ adoption of American-style tactics: Liberal strategists used a moveon.org style organization called workingfamilies.org to sling mud at the Tories, and then claimed that McGuinty ran a “positive” campaign.

I don’t know who I blame more – the Conservatives for missing these two issues, or CBC for failing to cover them clearly.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:59 PM

dave rawk (ottawa) wrote:

Those who say with distain that the elections reform was struck down because of a lack of understanding are only arguing the point. It's a complex system that will lead to a complex government.

If the idea of MMP is hard to understand on paper how easy is it to understand and infact implement. We can't build what we can't understand.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:57 PM

Geoff North (Kanata_ON) wrote:

The Liberals will have a larger majority with a lower proportion of the popular vote than in the previous election. The Green Party will have almost 10% of the popular vote, and yet obtain 0 seats in the legislature.

Had the CBC and other new organizations educated the public at all about the benefits of a mixed proportional electoral system, I'm sure democracy would have taken a step in the right direction in this province. I'm afraid the CBC is but a puppet of the two main parties who are against an electoral change.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:57 PM

Lori (Brampton_Ontario) wrote:

I am disappointed that there has been very little coverage about the referendum. Perhaps the issue should have had broader exposure and conveyed in such a way so that the people of Ontario would have gone to the polls with a clear understanding of it.

Why were there no debates, examples of MMP being practised elsewhere in the world and better media coverage offered on this issue?

If MMP will be raised in a future referendum, I suggest that the government put more money on educating the people of Ontario on how MMP works before it asks the people to make such an important decision.

Instead of splashing the TV screens with opposing parties bashing each other during campaigns, perhaps all that money should have gone towards media coverage on this critical issue.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:57 PM

Avelina Ferreira (Georgina) wrote:

I'm disappointed that proportional representation was defeated and that, once more, the Tories won this riding. However, in direct response to your question, I have always voted NDP and this is the first time in my life that, in trepidation, I voted Liberal. I decided to change my vote because, as a teacher, I am aware of the strides we have made in education under this Liberal government and I want these improvements to continue.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:57 PM

Robert Lake (Toronto) wrote:

Another joke election, another government on the way that tries to represent everyone and winds up representing no one. More voting by strategy, and with the head there is no heart. All of us (40-odd % anyway) favouring the devil we know versus the one we don't. The only truly important issue on the table, the referendum, is hushed and squashed and lost because canada, as much as it might like to think of itself as a land of openness and tolerance is truly a land where peoples' ideas of reality far outweigh the real that really is.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:56 PM

James (Ottawa) wrote:

The real story here isn't that the Liberals are going to get another majority, it is that electoral reform is going to be defeated in the referrendum. If the average voting person clearly understood what MMP means, in real political terms, they would be ashamed of themselves for voting against it. Wake up sleepers! Oh, and by the way, I voted Green and it wasn't in protest!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:56 PM

Chris (Brantford) wrote:

I am disappointed by how this election was not even close, both provincially and in my riding. I live in Brant, which is right by the Six Nations reserve. I also live close to Caledonia. I am sure everyone knows the situation there. It is also happening in Brant as well now.

Liberals continued to say that it "is Ottawa's problem, not ours." The Tories said it was time to stand up to the natives and solve land claims without criminal acts being ignored. That should have been a key issue in my riding.

Instead there was hardly any talk about it, it was all faith based funding. Sure that is an issue, but not so much to dominate the election campaign.

Tonight both Ontario and Brant elected Liberals. Who knows what we are in store for?? I guess time will tell, and I will hold my hopes up, what else can I do now????

Posted October 10, 2007 10:56 PM

Harold Hotham (London_ON) wrote:

I am somewhat ambiguous about this result. I would have much preferred a Liberal minority.

First, let's not forget what the Premier was handed as a so called healthy economy; until the auditors saw and reported the truth. Ontario had to swallow a bitter pill of broken promises as a result. (Here's a hint: look at who's doing the job federally).

I am ticked off though that all of a sudden money giveaways are flowing like water for some of the same things (now so-called election issues) that have been denied in the past term (autism funding as a prime example.) Where did all the money come from so suddenly?

That said, the grits have a golden opportunity to show Ontario voters what they can really do FOR this province with a second mandate. I for one will be keeping score starting with our manufacturing sector.

Just one question no one has been able to answer. Where are all these apprentices supposed to be employed?

Posted October 10, 2007 10:56 PM

Albert Brule (London_Ontario) wrote:

I think it ironic that the Liberals win a majority government, yet their share of the popular vote declined quite markedly. No doubt many will whine and complain "I didn't vote for them." Then ask them if they voted in favour of MMP. Odds are, they did not. What would the distribution of seats in the legislature look like if MMP were already in place? Probably a lot more like what people had actually voted for. Except... MMP didn't pass. So... you might say the people are getting exactly what they didn't vote for.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:55 PM

Louis Bertrand (Bowmanville) wrote:

The deck was stacked against MMP the minute it was recommended -- 60% + 60%, and a $6M waste of paper from Elections Ontario. All I needed to know was that the Liberals and PCs were against it.

I bet John Tory would like to have had MMP, he'd be in the Legislature now.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:55 PM

Bridget Gole (Toronto) wrote:

As I'm watching the progress of the elections on television and reading the comments online I can see that mostly everyone is severely disappointed in either the candidates, the parties, Ontarians or all of the above.

My response to those who "stratigically" voted Liberal instead of Conservative or vice versa (or NDP) because they wished to avoid one evil or another are, in my opinion too lazy to look into the other options deeply enough to understand. Those who don't vote Green (or other) because they feel it has no voice in parliament is feeding a downward spiral: They don't get enough recognition because they don't get enough votes, they don't get enough votes because they don't have enough recognition.

To those who are going to complain loudly about the results of the election, I have no sympathy for you if you voted either PC, Liberal or NDP, The results should not dissappoint but releive. We need to educate ourselves about our many other options. Liberal, PC and NDP are not the only parties running, we have seen the damage they have done to this province in previous years and it's time to make a change. It's time to do something about all this dissappointment, too bad we'll have to wait another four years.

I also have no sympathy to those who blame the media for dwelling too much or too little on one issue or another. True that the media is our main source for information but it is our individual responsibility to research and become aware of what each party and representative can offer this province. We need to take responsibility for these results and learn from our mistake and do better next time.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:54 PM

Deane Calvin (Guelph) wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, there is only one real issue, municipally, provincially, federally, globally. Why are we so unconcerned about the survival of our species? Compared to the environment, nothing else matters. Period. When the majority of Ontarians finally realize this, we'll really start to make "progress". Till then, let's have fun rearranging the deck chairs.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:54 PM

keith (ancaster) wrote:

I consider the results of the election to be a sad reflection on Ontarians. How we could reelect a serial promise breaker? He didn't just break one promise but nearly every promise and even signed a document indicating that he would not increase taxes?

In fairness, the Tories faith based funding formula was a gross miscalcuation. Rather than promise funding to religious schools all John Tory had to do was promise to create a commission to examine its possibility or take the more sensible approach and endorse the creation of one (note not two as is presently the case) public school system.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:54 PM

Andrew.P (Winnipeg) wrote:

I'd just like to say from what i have read, heard, and saw tonight i am dissapointed by ontario voters. I have heard about people voting Liberal, Tory or Green. But what about the NDP? Here in Manitoba we just elected a 3rd majority to the NDP and Manitoba is in one of it's greatest shapes in history. I am disappointed by voters for not considering the NDP, it was either the Liberals or Tories or the Green. You gave a majority government to a party that breaks promises but yet you can't trust the NDP for something that happened over 10 years ago. I say shame on Ontario voters who didnt consider the NDP

Posted October 10, 2007 10:53 PM

Heather (Toronto) wrote:

I had already decided to vote Liberal at the outset, but I have to admit that John Tory's focus on faith-based funding would have turned me off even if I had been a PC supporter. I just think it's wrong to siphon money from a public system that is already stretched to the limit; I believe that faith-based schools are a personal choice -- one that should be made carefully and with one's own money, not public funding!

I think that Premier McGuinty has done a great job of turning around the fortunes of this province after a miserable run with Mike Harris. It's the higher dollar -- not Dalton McGuinty's policies -- that is to blame if any manufacturing jobs have gone elsewhere. The Premier has brought in new investment through a new auto plant, beating out Arnold Schwarzenegger. He's improving healthcare and education, and has taken steps to preserve the Greenbelt for the benefit of us all. Why isn't anyone talking about all he's done RIGHT??

Posted October 10, 2007 10:53 PM

Ryan (Newmarket) wrote:

I am 13 years old and like to follow our country's electoral system, and who is running the current government.I found that the media (excluding the CBC) have blown this faith based funding issue, way out of proportion trying to convince the general public that the conservatives are trying to ruin our public schools, and when they really aren't changing anything.The media are neglecting the general public the information that we are not taking a dime out of or current public school system. I also think the media really forgot to say that Mr. McGuinty's own children are attending a faith based school . I just hope that the media has a more unbiased look the next election.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:53 PM

Alan Goodale (Aurora) wrote:

The first person that McGuinty should thank for his victory is John Tory. I cannot fathom how anyone could propose such a destructively divisive issue as faith based schools. He, and anyone else in the party that supported this issue, deserve to get the boot at the earliest possible moment Let's just hope that the venom that he has unleashed on this province can be eradicated from the party before the next election, or we'll be in for another Liberal government that most of us don't want.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:53 PM

Jenny Fortin (Sudbury) wrote:

As a scrutineer this election at the local university, as well as being a university student, I was very excited to phone in my local candidate headquarters to tell them the results from the polling station. However, when I phoned in and gave the results I had learned that the winner had already been declared.

We are trying to encourage everyone, especially the youth, to vote yet this act made me and other students in the room feel as if our vote didn’t even matter. It was the first time voting for many of us there and more students showed up then expected, yet none of us were heard.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:52 PM

Marie Cooper (Ottawa) wrote:

As a Protestant who sends her children to a Protestant school I am so frustrated by both the politicians and the people of this province I could cry. I think it's time my family moves to Alberta, where school choice is embraced and works very well. How people can justify funding Catholic schools and no other faith schools boggles my mind. This province should collectively feel ashamed of themselves, especially Mr. McGuinty who should be protecting minority rights and upholding the United Nations decree that says our current funding system is wrong.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:51 PM

G Donnelly (Courtice_ON) wrote:

It's a shame people wasted their votes on a dead party such as the NDP and didn't place their support behind a party with some new things to say: the Green Party.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:49 PM

Kelly Bayne (Courtice_Ontario) wrote:

The results of this election are so disheartening! How can Ontarians willingly hand power back to a liar and a cheat? The message it sends to future leaders in this province is that we're okay with it...feel free to lie to us and break your promises because we won't make you pay for it later!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:49 PM

Glenn Townley (TorontoDanforth) wrote:

When a week remained before the election, the NDP's Hampton complained openly about the media's limited coverage of his campaign. Ironically he got arguably more coverage on those comments than on the rest of his efforts over these 4 weeks. And just as ironically we see that while the media focused attention on the Liberal and PC parties, and payed limited attention to the NDP and Green parties ... the voters have shown more interest and faith in these 'fringe' players, rewarding them both with significant gains in total votes. It seems the voters identified and cared more about issues that the media did not feel warranted closer attention.

Is it perhaps time the media review their decision-making process that disproportionately fixated on two old-time parties that have both seen their popular support slide at the same time?

Posted October 10, 2007 10:49 PM

CK (London) wrote:

Finally, a true lesson for the Canadian Polititician. Politics and religion do not mix in Canada. I am glad that Tory has handed this election to the Liberals, I don't want to live in a society that chooses to support the paid segregation of our children.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:49 PM

John Head (Hamilton) wrote:

Yet another election that demonstrates the need for electoral reform. The Liberals will win about 65% of the available seats based on just over 40% of the popular vote. Hardly seems fair.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:49 PM

Jason (Ilderton) wrote:

Even though I voted Liberal tonight, I'm saddened to think that we'll be stuck with the current electoral system. A majority government just cannot be held in check to properly represent the views of the general population. I just hope that we'll have another opportunity to change the system in our lifetime.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:48 PM

Tom (Toronto) wrote:

I for one voted clearly for my local Liberal candidate because I want a government that is not dogged by idealogical demons either on the left or the right.

Complain all you want, but Ontario has, overall, a prosperous economy, decent healthcare, a better school system, and less civil strife than we experienced under either the Conservatives or the NDP.

Suck it up complainers, but the Liberals have been a better government.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:48 PM

Chris Gilmore (Innisfil_Ontario) wrote:

It makes me so frustrated that the electorate has remained so uninformed on a proposal which would have only increased the power of their votes. Or that the number one argument turning people away (fear over party leaders handpicking list candidates) had absolutely no basis in fact. It's a sad day for democracy!

I'm wondering though if the proposal at least recieves 50% of the vote, which it still might will this give us the possibility of a second referendum? In BC Premier Gordon Campbell wasn't able to drop electoral reform after the 2005 vote since more than 57% of British Columbians voted in favour of the proposal. This means that BC will hold a second referendum in 2009, can we in Ontario hope for a similar second chance?

Posted October 10, 2007 10:48 PM

katie (Dryden_ON) wrote:

I am so impressed with Howard Hampton.He has a huge huge riding to cover here in the north as well as being a provincial leader. He still always has time for his local area. I recall him walking the picket line with me when there was a teachers' strike and discussing the issues at that time. We are so fortunate to have him in our riding and as the NDP leader.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:47 PM

Marcin (Kitchener) wrote:

It seems that Ontaria's are very blind indeed. How is it that such a small prioirity on John Tory's agenda as "faith based funding" is exploded into such a huge matter?

PEOPLE WAKE UP! Ontario's government has been funding "faith based schools" since the beginning of time! What would you call CATHOLIC schools and the CATHOLIC school board?

It's not right for Canadian's to be swayed in by those who have been invited to our country and let them say what is "right" and what is "wrong".

PEOPLE WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! CANADA WAS GROWN ON FAITH WHY ARE WE RUNNING AWAY FROM IT?

Enjoy Ontario the next 4 years of lies and broken promises.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:47 PM

George (Windsor) wrote:

If there ever was an election that on every ballet, there should be one more box called "None of the Above"!! This is one. I went to vote this morning to cast my vote on the referendum only, but upon reflection at the last minute I voted for the Liberal candidate. The only resaon I did, was that the Liberal Party appears to be the least of all evils!!!!!!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:47 PM

Kristin (Brockville) wrote:

Has anyone been paying attention these past four years with Dalton "in charge". It seems like a lot of people are living under rocks when it comes to the issues. Not only that, but has anyone not noticed the broken promises they made? Anyone but Liberals next time people.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:47 PM

Mariette Henderson (Ottawa) wrote:

The issue of school funding was very well understood by most of the electorate. The majority of the voters have expressed their view that religion has no place in a public school system and two wrongs do not make a right. Religious/cultural ghettos should not be funded by public taxes.

The MMP referendum lacked clear and open discussion and should be revisited. As long as we have the present system, voters will keep casting ballots strategically "against" a party rather than giving their support to those who might offer positive change.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:46 PM

Elizabeth (Brantford) wrote:

I don't consider myself "religious" but I think not voting for a party because "funding for faith based schools" is part of their platform is ignorant. It's like saying I'm not voting for a party who proposes funding for health care because I'm not sick. Seriously people!!!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:46 PM

C (Toronto) wrote:

I cannot believe Ontario let McGunity win. Ontario voters need to do more research... here we go again, broken promises & increased taxes. It's such a shame, John Tory would have been a far better Premier...

Posted October 10, 2007 10:46 PM

jf (Oakville) wrote:

The logic of Ontario voters is baffling. They complain for four years only to re-elect the man who they complaint about. I am personally amazed that Mike Colle will possibly be re-elected. This is a man who resigned for mishandling the taxpayers money and does any one remember even though it was only a short time ago? This is indicative of people's short memory. This is why politician lie and get away with it.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:45 PM

Bill Flaherty (Guelph) wrote:

Despite the endorsement for MMP on the ballot, the electorate managed to avoid being bullied into a system with more government but less elected representation. Glad to see the process working though. Here's to democracy.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:45 PM

Tony Hill (KitchenerWaterloo) wrote:

I personally feel too much emphasis was placed on the impact of the faith-based school funding on John Tory and the PCs downfall this election. The thing that lost the PCs my vote was that their entire campaign seemed to be summed up by a grand total of two words: "McGuinty lied", to which I say "no kidding, I realize that every time I fill out my taxes!". The PCs had a tremendous opportunity to say what they would do differently, how they would run the province better but the totally and completely failed to do so.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:44 PM

Kimberly (Cambridge) wrote:

I am very disappointed that a CBC broadcaster thought that it was necessary to comment on the three leading candidates in the Etobicoke North riding as all 'interestingly muslim' - how many ridings had several Jewish or Roman Catholic candidates running? 'Interestingly' this election campaign having a religious focus seems to have been perpetuated by the media...

Posted October 10, 2007 10:44 PM

Carl Beaupre (Ottawa) wrote:

While the faith-based funding issue seems to have swayed many voters in this election, we should try to keep in mind that when an issue like this becomes such a big issue, it is often because the government in power has been doing a good job on the important issues.

The Liberals have made it easier for people on social assistance to go out and accept part-time employment(which is a key stepping stone to full-time employment).
The economy in this province is definitley doing much better than it had before Mr. McGuinty took office, and I believe that people gave the Liberals another
majority because of their good economic track record.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:44 PM

Joel (Ottawa) wrote:

I just saw the comments by Randy Hillier in which he suggested that Ontario would now suffer another 4 years of Liberal government. While I did not vote Liberal, I have to say that I, and apparently a lot of Ontario voters, did not feel that life under the Liberals was so bad in the past 4 years. Mr. Hillier seems to be using a definition of suffering that many of us were not previously aware of.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:44 PM

Steve (Montreal) wrote:

I had high hopes for the MMP Referendum. The low results that I am seeing on the web suggest that this referendum was doomed to fail by the system implemented to inform people about it. The people were not informed. Sadly, 10% of voters their votes systemically discounted and nearly 50% will be underrepresented. It must be nice to be in that 40% that is overrepresented (by about 30 seats). Why do we consider this result democratic again?

Posted October 10, 2007 10:44 PM

Noah Arshinoff (Ottawa) wrote:

This election is a disgrace. The one positive in this election is that the greens have made great headway. However, with MMP being defeated by a landslide it makes you wonder what kind of hypocritical voting is happening in our province. Let's hope the Liberals focus on educating our population, because tonight the result indicates a major deficit regarding informed voters.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:44 PM

Nick Van der Graaf (Toronto) wrote:

I'm very disappointed by the results of the referendum on voting reform. I asked dozens of people in my workplace what they thought about the issue and their answers often showed that they barely understood how the current system works, never mind the concept of MMP. I honestly have to worry about the future of a society which can't even grasp the basics of its own democracy.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:44 PM

Jesse Murray (Don_Valley_West_Toronto) wrote:

I'm a high school student, and two years away from being eligible to vote. I still keep a very close track of what goes on in my riding of Don Valley West. John Tory originally chose one side of faith-based funding, but he later backed out. During an election campaign is not the time to change your mind, that's what all the preceding time is for. I listened to Metro Morning, and Tory really didn't give a convincing arguement as to why he chose what he did.

As a leader of a major party, and the opposition he really shouldn't have placed himself in a riding against such a popular opponent as Wynne, or chosen such a difinitve position.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:43 PM

TAhmoi (Port_Perry) wrote:

I think what we as the eletorate and or the public and pundants in general seem to be missing in this Election, is that the Liberals did not necessarily win an election over any of the other parties, grant it, the other parties so to speak by virtue of a lack of ideas, vision and issues removed themselves and fail to exist in a manner of speaking.

Ontarions voted in the name of stability,a strong dollar, a relatively good economy which apears will remain so for some time. The Liberals in the end simply were or are fortunate enough to be the party in power when these conditions are very present and obvious to all.The liberals really did nothing to win the election, but rather remained un-challenged due to the lack of an alternative and or anythingelse so to speak. The clock is ticking a few seconds off, but at least it's ticking, hence the Liberals.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:43 PM

Jay (Ottawa) wrote:

I'm a long time PC voter and a staunch secularist. I voted Green this election as felt betrayed by John Tory and could not support him in this election.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:43 PM

Isabelle (Montreal) wrote:

It's easy to say the liberals lie, or that funding faith based schools is unacceptable in a secular society, yet neither of these comments goes beyond what we see on party commercials.

If we complain about campaign ads and how they don't bring up issues and only slam the other candidates, maybe when we make such comments, we should look into the issues ourselves.

After the conservative reign, the public school system was left hurt and fragile. I myself was in elementary and high school during this time - classes of 35+, old text books, teacher strikes etc.

The liberal government invested in reducing class sizes, programs for children with special needs, educational research etc. Furthermore, with the liberal government, I had access to thousands of dollars in grants and scholarships while in university.

I'm neither a liberal nor a conservative - but I wonder, if everyone is a liar, or the least of evils, or if the system is unfair, if we're being taken for fools - well then, what are WE going to do about it?

I'm now completing my masters in political science and following municipal, provincial and federal elections has turned me off from ever running in electoral politics.

Can politicians ever BE right? Dan they ever DO anything right? Or while we stuff our tummies with food from all over the world, shop till we drop, take 30 minute showers and drive our SUVs around the city, are they all doomed to never be good enough for us?

Posted October 10, 2007 10:43 PM

Heather (Thunder_Bay) wrote:

We must continue to search for a system that more fairly represents the popular vote. If 10% of people vote Green, then the will of those Ontarians is cetainly not represented in the Legislature as the system currently stands. This is a serious flaw that must be addressed.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:43 PM

J.Jonsson (Thornhill) wrote:

There seems to be an assumption that the Jewish community voted with a single voice in favour of Faith-based Funding.

It should be noted that as with any community there was a diversity of opinion on this issue and that a large part of our community are strong public education supporters and do not support the PC proposal.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:43 PM

Richard Grills (Belleville) wrote:

How can anyone say that MMP is the answer. In a democracy we are to 'vote' in our leaders. Yes the current system needs to be improved, but I don't need an elected leader assigning other members who have not been voted in. And the last thing we need is another 22 seats, another 22 individuals getting payed too much and giving themselves raises.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:42 PM

Sharron (Burlington) wrote:

WHY is MMP vs FPtP not being addressed by the media?! Candidates will come and candidates will go - voting to change one's political system is far more important! Its absurd that this isn't addressed as the foremost issue.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:42 PM

Mira Jelic (Toronto) wrote:

Watching the preliminary results roll in I am dissapointed to see how low voter turnout is in the various Toronto ridings compared to other cities and rural areas. Where are you Toronto?

Posted October 10, 2007 10:42 PM

Cheshire (Windsor) wrote:

Thank you very much Ontario.
(sarcasm intended)

The Big Red Propaganda machine, got to all of your heads this time around.

Faith based schools shoulf not have been the biggest issue in deciding who you should vote for.

Does know one remember McGuintys broken promises, or the state of the economy in SouthWestern Ontario? Sorry, with a flick of Mcguintys wand he painted your votes red yet again through his propaganda against John Tory.
What issues did McGuinty stand for this election? Can any of you recall his "promises" this time around. McGuinty magicians act must have also taken parts of your memory.
In the end, Ontario you face 4 more years of broken promises, taxes, wait times and an economy that has been steadily decreasing.

As McGuinty sits in his comfortable office in Queens Park with his higher salary, families all over Ontario will feel the hardships of the dying out of manufacturing.

But maybe McGuinty will be able to pull another trick out of his sleeve and make you believe that the failing economy is his opponents faults as well.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:42 PM

Jamie (Mississauga) wrote:

The NDP and the Tories have been complaining that the real issues in this campaign were over run by the faith based funding question, yet every ad both parties ran ignored any policy they promoted and focused instead on the "quote" Liberal broken promises. How did they expect the electorate to focus on policy issue's when they were deliberately avoiding them themselves.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:41 PM

Stan (Burlington_ON) wrote:

I think that one of the reasons that the Tory campaign message of broken promises did not resonate with the voters was the recognition that McGuinty inherited a province that was fiscally worse off than thought of before the 2003 election.

The Liberals showed that they can be sound fiscal stewards while improving neccessary services. They also had the political courage to increase taxes as required in order do this.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:41 PM

Paul Valentine (Mississauga) wrote:

The only word that comes to mind is "sad" when it comes this election. Dalton broke so many promises in the last election and yet voters still gave him a majority this time around! I might as well just vote Communist or move to another province next election cause Ontarians seem to have a chronic case of amnesia!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:41 PM

Sanket Ullal (Hamilton_ON) wrote:

I'm rather happy with the results so far. I was dead split while deciding between the Liberals and NDP. The outcome so far, has seemed to match exactly what I wanted. This way, I can have the satisfaction of the strong Liberals leading Ontario at Queen's Park and I also have the benefit of having an NDP leader representing my region of Hamilton. Seems like the PC party just didn't have a strong enough agenda to win the game of hardball against the zealous Liberals this time.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:41 PM

B. Boyle (ON) wrote:

Disapponintment. There was no one party to vote for which stood for anything that mattered to myself or my family.

If I hear one more time Dalton did this or that from an opponent without expressing what they were trying to convey - what can I say.

This whole election is extremely disappointing and a complete waste of my time.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:41 PM

Leanne (Orillia_Ontario) wrote:

Glad to see that the Torys got voted down. I for one have not forgotten what it was like in this province under Mike Harris. I have voted NDP since I was 19 and would have been happier with an NDP government with more voice for the Green party but the Liberals are much more acceptable than a PC goverment anyday. You cannot trust the Torys, you might as well give a used car salesman the reigns of power.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:41 PM

Frank (Mount_Forest) wrote:

Many people in the media appear to be focussed on the impact of the faith based funding issue put forward by the Conservative party. I believe that many Ontarians have also been turned off of the P.C party because of their negative add focus on the Liberal Leader. Tell us what you can do not what the other person does poorly.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:40 PM

Dan (YorkWest) wrote:

I am happy to see the Green Party achieve such a significant increase in the popular vote. This will result in more of an incentive for the acting government to take environmental issues seriously. I hope to see the election of a Green member to parliament in the near future, for the sake of fair representation in the legislature of the popular vote.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:40 PM

A.T. P. (Toronto) wrote:

All of the parties could have made the referendum a (bigger) election issue, and Elections Ontario could have done a better job of communicating it, more clearly, and more widely. I've heard some people mention there might be some things about MMP that are not perfect, but I thought the consensus was that it was much better than what we had & have now. Our governments are supposed to represent the people, but for me they haven't & don't. Thanks anyway. Better try again.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:40 PM

Bill (Niagara) wrote:

The results highlight the reason electoral reform is needed; the Liberals losing ground in the popular vote, and apparently gaining seats. Something is sorely amiss!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:40 PM

Dan Wegner (Guelph) wrote:

I was hoping to vote John Tory however I did not like his negitive campaigne. How can you pick a politician who has nothing good to say about himself so he bashes his opponent. So I voted liberal as they were a party willing to advertise them selves.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:40 PM

Andrew (Collingwood_Ontario) wrote:

How can a leader be so completely out of touch with the electorate? If Tory's stance on education reform had been the complete opposite, and he had campaigned to ELIMINATE the Catholic school Board; rather than funding faith based schools, we might be looking at a PC majority.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:39 PM

Joyce (southcentral) wrote:

Thank you to Ontarians, who agree with Dalton McGuinty. What you're saying is that it's fine to discriminate. You're also telling Dalton that theft is fine. But, those who send their children to faith based schools are used to being stolen from, we have been for years. Steal from us, give to the public system. Also, perhaps you should ask Dalton McGuinty why he's so quiet on removing funding from the Catholic schools.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:39 PM

Caitlin Dyer (Hamilton) wrote:

I'm surprised, given the lack of emphasis on the environment during this campaign, that more people have not voted Green. The increase is quite notable, but I expected more of a victory for them, given our current environmental situation. I'm frankly dissapointed in you Ontario.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:39 PM

Mahmod (Ajax_Ontario) wrote:

I am glad to see the liberal are going to win the majority again. Power shortage is being addressed properly by Liberal and I can not wait to see some good results from the proposed plan.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:39 PM

n. (ktown) wrote:

good job jon, man the PC party has had some great leaders eh.. he handed the election to the liberal party, dalton mcguinty thanks you !

Posted October 10, 2007 10:39 PM

Paul (Whitby) wrote:

People don't necessarily expect much of their governments. They basically don't want to notice them. By the end of the Harris government people noticed them for negative reasons. Harris was unforgivable and McGuinty still benefits from this. Nothing negative of a major substance (i.e. health and education) has went against McGuinty and people are STILL untrusting/unforgiving of the conservatives. I am ecstatic over the election results. God forbid the Neo-Cons ever get a foothold ever again in Ontario!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:39 PM

Cate Mortimer-Sandilands (Belfountain_Ontario) wrote:

I am very disappointed indeed that the MMP has (probably) been defeated. I think it is quite clear that the ruling parties -- Liberal and Tory -- had no interest at all in making the MMP a real issue in this campaign: it would have been agains their interests. Although I recognize that there are both positive and negative elements to the MMP proposal, the fact that it barely registered in the public debate is clearly a result of the fact that nobody with any real sway over the media was interesting in *making* it register in the public debate.

In my opinion, the MMP was far more important than the question of which party got elected this time around. Why didn't the media seriously take up this issue? Why didn't the question of electoral reform trump a highly dubious proposal to give funding to religious schools?

Posted October 10, 2007 10:39 PM

Wolfey (Toronto_Centre) wrote:

And now once again, as students, we try and voice our opinion, we once again lose. Now with the Liberals in command again, we must continue with the ridiculous tuition fees. PUT THE TUITION CAP BACK ON!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:39 PM

Sarah Mason (Newmarket) wrote:

There was not enough information provided about the referendum. Many people had unanswered questions, making them vote for what they are familiar with, the existing system. People are not going to vote for something that is unknown.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:39 PM

Jonathan (Toronto) wrote:

I am a physician in Toronto. I am very disappointed in the Liberals health record. I am life long Liberal but could not vote Liberal this time. The Liberals cut physiotherapy and eye exams, and made the process for drug approvals more difficult than even the Harris Conservatives. They failed to fund hospital deficits and they got off scott free in this election. I am extremely disappointed in the results.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:38 PM

Robert (Toronto) wrote:

We in Ontario may have not wanted such a huge Liberal Majority, but the past 4 years have been politically peaceful -no teachers strikes-no corruption scandels- I do not trust Mr McGunity, but after Mr Harris he is keeping the political climate in Ontario stable

Posted October 10, 2007 10:38 PM

Cristin S (Mississauga) wrote:

I am SOOOO disappointed by the results of the referendum on electoral reform! :( The public education program was very inadequate and the media did a terrible job in creating understanding about all sides of this issue - actually I don't think that they understood the issue themselves.

My dilemma in going to the polls today is a perfect example of how the newly proposed system would have given more power to the people. With my one vote, I had to decide whether to vote for the party whose platform I believed would be the best for our province or the candidate in my riding who I felt would contribute most to my community. Unfortunately, as is often the case, these two things didn't match up. I ended up voting for the candidate in my riding and not for the party. So I voted Liberal rather than Green. I was so torn!

The results of my dilemma highlight to me how the big parties are able to maintain their power, although the word on the street is constant dissatisfaction about their leadership. The new system would give more power to grassroots movements and ideas - the ideas of each person in this democracy - putting pressure on the main parties. I am in my mid 30's and so many of my peers are disillusioned with all levels of government in our country, feeling there is a lack of leadership and that their voice is not heard. They don't bother to vote anymore. Too bad no one could get their attention regarding the amazing chance they had to use their voice to change the old (and now still current), unfair, inadequate system.

Sorry to the Citizens' Assembly for all their work! It was sabotaged by the interests of the people in power in this country I am afraid.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:38 PM

daniel (religious_schools) wrote:

i voted conservative in every provincial or federal election in my life. However, there is no way i can vote for a party that wants to use my tax dollars to fund religious schools. where would the line be? we do not need scientology, rastafanarians, satanists, wikkas, jihadists and other "religious educators" being publically funded. in fact lets cut the funding for the catholic schools too. one education standard is the only way.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:38 PM

SharronJones (Burlington) wrote:

If John Tory truly lost over the "Faith-Based Schools" issue, how sad it is that Ontario citizens choose to prop up one faith-based school system over all others. I view this as an anti-muslim/anti-semite movement - a revolting concept for this "liberal" province.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:38 PM

Annie H (North_York) wrote:

I am not amazed that the liberals won, since they led a great campaign, but the PC didn't do so well, and having John Tory loose was most surprising. What i am really glad of is that the NDP has gained a few number of seats, and one day, I believe they will win an election.

Annie H

Posted October 10, 2007 10:38 PM

John Nickelson (London) wrote:

Young people need to vote, our voices need to be heard. This election reflects the poor student and young people turn out. We need a fresh perspective in order to move on to the future. Let's not make this mistake again. No more votes for liars and money hungry candidates.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:38 PM

Lauren Boothby (London_Ontario) wrote:

The option of voting for PC this election never once ran through my mind. Tory's religious funding suggestion is absolutely ridiculous, and I'm glad Ontario has been sober enough to at least not vote for them, although NDP is definitely a better choice than Liberal.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:38 PM

Danielle Rabbat (Etobicoke_Lakeshore) wrote:

I sure hope you will allow the Green Party into the next election debate. The fact that they have (so far) gotten over 8% of the popular vote means they are no longer a fringe party. I wonder what percent of the vote they would have gotten if they'd been allowed in the debate.

Green votes are not 'protest' votes-they are votes for what many of us believe in.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:37 PM

Murray M (Ottawa) wrote:

It should come as no surprise that this province has voted because of fear instead of using their heads. Again you have to shake your head at people's haste to avoid change. They let themselves be romanced by wonderful liberal catch phrases and promises because hearing the truth, and actually having change would be FAR too scary.

Again, this just proves that the liberal can do WHATEVER they want and never be held to account for their actions. Again, toronto is running this province, just like it runs this country. I am tired of this city telling me what kind of government I am to live under. Perhaps Toronto should be a province unto itself... maybe called liberalville or perhaps Quebec #2

Posted October 10, 2007 10:37 PM

Mike Bialek (Ottawa_ON) wrote:

I'm confused as to why everyone is so surprised that the Liberal's will form the new government. The big news this evening for me is MMP. Our big chance for some real change and no one so far seems to be going for it. Hopefully the next election we'll have a new chance for electoral reform that people can really get behind.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:37 PM

Ben (Kitchener) wrote:

Most people dont put their faith in McGuinty, but couldn't vote for the PC because of lack of leadership. McGuinty is a great leader, his downfall in the last election was making too many promises, too many to accomplish in four years, but he made this province better. I voted Liberal last election because I liked the member in my riding, this year I couldn't bring myself to do it again because I'm too sick of the post-modernism evident in this province. The best thing for Ontario would be a PC majority led by a right-wing Dalton McGuinty.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:36 PM

Justin Nanu (Toronto) wrote:

I am disappointed that it seems many voters did not know exactly what the referendum was about, and voted against change rather than against the MMP system. I would hope that CBC and other news outlets release a mock result had the MMP system been in place for these elections so the voters of Ontario can actually see tangible differences between the two.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:36 PM

Ron (belleville) wrote:

I had 3 realistic choices - vote for a lying leader of the Liberal Party or a former Mike Harris/Ernie Eves hack -I voted for the green party

Posted October 10, 2007 10:36 PM

don (toronto) wrote:

Tory lost the election over the faith based funding issue because a great portion of the electorate did not want any semblance of funding to a particular faith which has been identified with terrorist actions in the world and schools identified with the same, regardless of all the other faith based schools which might have been acceptable to the electorate.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:36 PM

Mel (Toronto) wrote:

NDP supporter that I am, I would have liked to see a NDP win (of course) but I'm glad that Cheri DiNovo won our riding (again). I'm also glad that Ontarians said a firm NO to John Tory.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:36 PM

Colin (Barrie) wrote:

It is extremely heartening to see that Ontario is so easily lead astray. When something as critical as the environment at hand, we drop it when someone mentions religion and education in the same sentence.

Let's keep to what's pertinent, Ontario.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:35 PM

Todd (Belleville) wrote:

It never fails to amase me how short our collective memories are here in Ontario. We have just re-elected a party that did nothing but break, ney, destroyed every platform promise that they made during the last election. In fact they completely went in the opposite direction on the "no tax increase" policy and lets not forget the "coalfire hydro plants" issue. Well we have no one to blame but ourselves, may the writings of the historians be kind.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:35 PM

Lewis Jenkins (Quinte_West) wrote:

The MMP vote is reflective of the lack of information out there on the changes to the electoral system.

Questions could not be answered on how candidates are appointed to the list, how are they selected by the party and how are they picked off the list.

Maybe a survey is needed to find out why it did not pass.

To change our system based on the faith that it could be fixed if it does not work is not practical. How long has it taken to get it this far!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:35 PM

A.A. Moyer (London) wrote:

I suspect that Mr. Tory was right about one thing in this election, Leadership really does matter.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:34 PM

nathan (Drayton_Ont) wrote:

Frankly i am very dissapointed in the way this election is going. I am 16 years old and I've never seen so much corruption as in Daulton Mcguilty. If I could vote, I would vote ANYONE but him.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:34 PM

Jason (Waterloo) wrote:

Why are the party results not showing the results for the Greens? Why are they lumped in with "Others"?

Posted October 10, 2007 10:33 PM

P (Toronto_Ontario) wrote:

I am finding it necessary to comment on the amount of badmouthing of parties/party leaders without any evidence or opinions to back it up. Some people voicing their opinions appear to have the temperament of a spoiled child. If you cannot present your case in a sensible manner, you have no place on this board.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:33 PM

Justin (Toronto) wrote:

I can't believe that when John Tory makes one stupid comment, he is nailed to the cross, but four years of lies and wasteful spending by the Liberals do not matter.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:33 PM

Doug Ritchie (Pickering) wrote:

I did not have a card last election but I signed up and voted. Just months before I obtained my Canadian citzenship. Having no card is NOT a excuse. If it takes you a day to fill out forms or get resistered to vote do it. Do not complain "I did not have a card". Do you hear how that sounds.

The leaders of these parties made sure I voted. I wanted to be heard. This right was given to me again by the last soldier who arrived in a box from from Aghanistan. It is his life and all others given as well as those who are currently serving or who haved served that I honor by voting.

The main issue should be voter turnout. Who is elected is the secondary concern.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:32 PM

Matthew Harper (Toronto) wrote:

For everyone who didn't vote for MMP or the Green Party, enjoy explaining to your grand-kids why their life expectancy is going to be 20 years shorter than yours!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:30 PM

Dean Whalen (Goderich_ON) wrote:

Liberals receive 42% of the vote and 64% of the seats. Greens receive more than 8% of the vote and no seats. The majority elected by the minority now governs as if they are a true majority.

Our democracy is self-destructing by clinging to the out of date electoral system known as First past the Post.

MMP was soundly defeated. I believe the voters did not understand the choices and so voted predictably to stay with the status quo.

Another pathetic day for true democratic representation.

Dean

Posted October 10, 2007 10:30 PM

Erin (Kingston) wrote:

Today was my first time voting, and I decided to vote for the Green Party. I was thinking about voting Liberal to prevent the Conservatives from winning, but considering the Liberals were doing so well by the end of the campaign I decided that it wasn't necessary. I'm very glad that I voted for the Green Party, because the environment is clearly the #1 issue facing our generation.

Hopefully the youth vote is a little higher this time around. I tried my best to get my friends to vote. Some of them did, and some of them didn't. Young people do care about politics. I think that they just don't feel connected to any of the main parties.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:30 PM

Ryan (Kingston) wrote:

I'm very disappointed the MMP didn't get the popular vote, out of this whole election I thought that was the most positive part of it. The chance to finally have a system that works fairly would have been nice, how people could not vote for this is beyond me.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:30 PM

Jeff Williams (Scarborough) wrote:

I am absolutely disgusted!

Most people think that the Liberals being re-elected is the most important news of the night. Wrong wrong wrong!!!

The referendum was grossly under-advertised and under-promoted. The importance of this vote was and has been lost! This election is shaping up to be yet another example of how our current system is incapable of accurately representing what people vote for. How we can continue to support a system that allows a party to occupy more than 70% of the seats with less than 45% of the vote is laughable!

At least we can take solace in knowing the leafs will win the cup this year!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:29 PM

Michelle (Peterborough) wrote:

As a public educator I am thrilled to see the overwhelming support of the Liberal party throughout the province. The Liberals brought 4 years of peace and stability to the education system in Ontario by providing a 4 year collective agreement and a provincial framework. It is our hope that a new Liberal government will work with the teachers' unions in this province to continue to improve public education in this province for our students and our children.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:29 PM

Elizabeth McLeod (Guelph) wrote:

Maybe if the Green Party had be allowed to participate in the debate they would have got the seat that they so deserve! Why are we so afraid of the positive, refreshing and healthy change that this party represents.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:29 PM

P. Nair (Dundas) wrote:

I am disappointed that electoral reforms that would truly represent the will of a democracy is not approved largely because they are ill-understood by politically naive voters.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:28 PM

Geoff Ramalho (Listowel_ON) wrote:

Good night John Tory and good Bye. from a Conservative voter. U blew it.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:28 PM

Alec Ross (Kingston) wrote:

Here we go again. We will hand a majority of the seats at Queen's Park, and all the power, to a party that did not win a majority of the popular vote. This is not, as one of your reporters observed, "an anomaly of politics". This is an anomaly of a flawed electoral system, First-Past the Post, which Ontarians had an opportunity to fix by voting in favour of MMP. The tragedy of this election is not that we will have four more years of McGuinty -- it is that MMP was voted down.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:27 PM

geraldandcindy davis (Windsor_Ontario) wrote:

Great coverage, thank you to all who helped our province vote today. If Ontarians thought there was no hope before, welcome to a sinking ship Ontarians. Hope we`re wrong.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:27 PM

Richard (Dundas) wrote:

There's something I'm not quite grasping about today's electoral reform referendum... The referendum vote requires a 60-per-cent majority in favour and majority approval in at least 64 ridings to change the first-past-the-post system (FPTP). So if I understand this correctly then, in order for the current first-past-the-post system (FPTP) to stay in place only 40.1% of the vote is required. Conversely, for the mixed member proportional (MMP) plan to pass, 60.1% of the vote is needed. Thus, the current 215 year old FPTP system which espouses the "majority rules concept" would remain in place even if today's outcome was a 59.99% majority for the MMP system?
Is there something not hugely hypocritical about this?

Posted October 10, 2007 10:27 PM

Clive (Cambridge) wrote:

Well, Ontarians have done it again haven't they? Those very few who voted are so sadly misguided. It is almost impossible to comprehend what went through the minds of the majority of people out there today as they voted for Dalton McGuinty, the greatest liar this province has ever known.

I think a prominent news anchor, who shall go nameless, said it best a few days before election day: "The only reason most people will vote for McGuinty's Liberals is because they know that the other parties won't win and they want to be able to say that they voted for the winning party". Sickening isn't it?

You know what the worst part about this is? It's true. It's actually true. I think I should move to Australia or somewhere and get away from this lunacy here in Canada. First Past The Post and a Liberal majority? It is beyond imagining, it really is. What a screwed up populace we have.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:27 PM

Gillian Hewitt (OttawaCentral) wrote:

I am so happy the referendum did not go through. A mixed member proportional system would just increase the bureaucratic inefficiency in the provincial government.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:26 PM

N Hudson (Brampton) wrote:

A point should be made that on Elections Ontario's website results are not available due to high volume.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:26 PM

B. Williamson () wrote:

MPP is a waste of time. Tell me, who is to be held accountable for the appointed members? The party leader? Cmon, like any of them can be trusted. All it does is create a lifetime job for insiders and personal lapdogs, and worse yet, these lapdogs are not directly accountable to the general public.

At least presently, members are accountable to the people in their riding for the decisions they make. I am proud to have voted to keep it that way.

However, putting something to ease these fears, say, a clause stating that "list members" cannot hold cabinet positions would go a long way to convince me otherwise....

Posted October 10, 2007 10:26 PM

Chris (Mississauga) wrote:

Alright Ontario! Way to stick it to those 53,000
kids who happen not to be catholic! Aren't you proud of what you've accomplished? Also glad to see systemic racism reinforced in this province. Touching, really.

C'mon the Liberals stole our money, broke all their promises, lied whenever the spirit moved them and the number one reason for NOT firing them is fear of religious schools being brought into the public system? Because that is what was being discussed. Not, as the Liberals spun it, "Taking money from public schools and giving it to private, faith-based schools." (Funny how that ad was paid for by the Ontario Teachers Association)

Shame on you Ontario.

Today I voted for an accountable government.
One that doesn't steal, lie and cheat and raise taxes to the level of the ridiculous.
One that isn't wholly nepotistic, pluralistic and a slave to the teachers union.

Ontario voted to keep Jewish and Muslim kids from having a public education.

Way to go Ontario. You deserve what you get.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:26 PM

Carol V (Ottawa) wrote:

The MMP defeat is really disheartening. I know so many people who don't go the polls simply because they know their party of choice doesn't have a chance in their riding. Looks like I should have stayed home too!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:24 PM

Caitlin Dyer (Hamilton) wrote:

I think it's ridiculous that the issue of the environment was completly ignored during this election campaign. I think it's disgraceful that older generations don't seem to care about the environment, when they had a large part in destroying it and it's my generation that is going to pay for it. The only party that even brought up the environment is the Green Party and I'm appalled how few Ontarians feel this is an important issue.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:22 PM

Francis Prescott (Guelph) wrote:

I must say that I am not impressed with a comment I just heard by one of your hosts.

Your host referred to the Liberal's increase in seats, but reduction in popular vote as "that's politics." That is not politics, but a feature of our current FPTP system, which regularly gives governments inflated majorities (among with many electoral irregularities). MMP may have lost tonight, but hopefully tonight's results will help remind Ontarians why we need to change our system.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:22 PM

Gillian Hewitt (Ottawa_Central) wrote:

Ontarians are making a wise choice in re-electing the Liberal party. There are those individuals who believe that the issue of funding private religious schools has clouded all other platform issues. This is untrue. Although there are many other important issues that citizens must consider when casting their vote, the issue of funding private religious schools is extremely important. A strong publicly funded education system is part of the fabric of Canadian identity. Moving away from that tradition would mean losing part of we are as Canadians.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:21 PM

Joseph Playfair (Toronto) wrote:

Percentage Change in share of popular vote, 2007 vs. 2003:

LIB -11.21%
PC -11.13%
*NDP +25.10%*
***GRN +195.00%***
Other -6.67%

Cmon you Greens! 8% of the popular vote, but nary a voice in the Parliament. Any way we can take another stab at a better electoral system?


- JP

Posted October 10, 2007 10:21 PM

Sandra B. (Ottawa) wrote:

Eric in Ottawa, what do you expect from a broadcaster that wouldn't let the Greens into the debates. This election is a sham, and the network consortium are colluders.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:21 PM

B. Kelley (Brantford) wrote:

If you think that the last 4 years were bad, hold onto your wallets. McGuinty has proven that a political leader can blatantly lie, ignore all his promises and thumb his nose at Ontario's citizens and yet still get re-elected. I can hardly wait to see what he does when his government loses the school funding human rights cases that are already lined up and waiting to go ahead.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:20 PM

Nicholas Sharratt (Ottawa_ON) wrote:

I am impressed with the decisive Liberal victory. The people of Ontario have voted a strong Liberal Government, which I believe is important especially with Federal Politics tied up in indecision and minority governments.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:20 PM

Mike Jones (London_North_Center) wrote:

Should I vote Liberal? No McGuinty's a liar.. but then again he's made some great promises through his campaign...(he won't keep his promises.. he's a liar)NO!

Should I vote PC? Mulrooney was a PC... no way!NO!

Should I vote NDP? What happened the last time the NDP ran the province? No

Should I vote Green? I don't think so... why waste my time walking down to the polls to vote for someone who has no voice in parliament.NO!

eenie meenie minie moe... ok...Time to get by the ol' Mulrooney phobia... I'm voting PC.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:20 PM

Harry de Valence (Toronto_Don_Valley_West) wrote:

I'm disappointed and saddened by the fact that the CBC continues to lump the Green Party in with 'Other'. When a party is getting more than 8% of the vote, they deserve to be recognized.
You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:20 PM

brandy (puslinch) wrote:

hubby and i went to our poll to vote. we were not on the list. the couple ahead of us head were also not on the list but it took them 5 minutes to fill the form to put them on the list. we refused. we used to be on the list, have not moved. why is our name not on the list. why do we have to fill in a form to tell the government where we live. my neighbour is on the list.so plse donot include us as those who did not vote. someone did not do their job and i am not going to do their job for them. just not fair.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:20 PM

Bret Noble, Windsor, Ontario, Canada (Windsor) wrote:

I sure hope the Liberals don't interpret this win in any way as support for how they have governed. I have talked to many people who only voted for them because of John Tory's suicidal proposal to fund faith based schools. I have never been more disgusted in my life with the choices we were given. Where's Mike Harris when we need him!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:19 PM

Carina J (London) wrote:

I disagree that the Green Party vote is a vote of protest. Many people feel very strongly about environmental issues and feel the government must take direct and more serious action to address them. Personally, I wasn't protesting the bigger parties, I was voting for a party which I believe can govern effectively.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:19 PM

Luke Watson (Anten_Mills) wrote:

It's incredible how one-sided the referendum turned out to be. Considering the fact that more people in Ontario are NOT represented by the party they voted for, it is surprising that there wasn't greater support for MMP which would have dealt with that unfortunate discrepancy by awarding seats based on vote percentages. Ontarians obviously don't mind their votes being 'wasted'.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:19 PM

Darren Nesbit (Sarnia) wrote:

I just would like say, way to go...Mrs.Witmer....She is a greatperson, Always willing to help, even if you dont live in her town All MPPS should be like her, WAY TO GO !!!!!!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:19 PM

Sue Webb Smith (Bruce_Grey) wrote:

it amazes me how out of touch most of the media and the pundits are about what is actually happening with voters. In our region water safety, farming, protection of the environment are amongst the top concerns of people I have met since moving here a year ago. I am thrilled that the Green party is making a showing up here. As well, the reason the referendum is a bust is that nobody seemed to have had enough information on the topic. I hope Dalton McGuinty will introduce it as a topic for debate in his second term. Finally, Tory's school funding was a bust from the start - a strategy mistake made in an effort to distract the electorate from the real issues - but Mr. Tory and media people, we are smart Ontarians - not to be bought with a bogus ploy!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:19 PM

Matthew Harper (Toronto) wrote:

One thing that a majority of Ontario's voters can probably agree on is that John Tory should stay at the head of the PC party. Great job John!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:18 PM

nick (kingstonont) wrote:

i am pleased to see this election go to the liberal party, i voted for the liberal party b/c if you look at the economy it is as hi as its been in a while so i cant say there doing anything to wrong. i think they have done a good job of cleaning up the PC mess of remember the name mr mike harris well done for the liberal party and im happy with 4 more years.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:17 PM

Ric Glowienka (Ottawa) wrote:

Last election, the Liberals won 72 seats. They lost seats due to byelections since then, so they are ahead of their standing at dissolution, but still ehind their seats won in 2003.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:17 PM

Stacey Tomlinson (Burlington_ON) wrote:

I'm so disappointed with the results so far. Clearly the people of Ontario are terrified of change, and that is so obviously reflected in the overwhelming NO vote for the referendum.

It's time for a change, and the people of Ontario are going to be disappointed having adopted the 'safe' attitude that they are better off with the devil they know, as opposed to the devil they don't...Congratulations Ontario, you have just elected four more years of broken promises and tax hikes.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:16 PM

Steve Fitzsimmons (Guelph_ON) wrote:

I'm glad the Liberals are getting voted in. Not because I'm supporting the Liberals, but because I believe that only politicians with a plan for the province should be elected to power.

So far, I've seen Dalton on TV telling us what he wants to do. That's great. Whether you agree or not, it's good to see what he stands for. On the other hand all I know from the NDP and PC is that they don't like how the Liberals govern.

I think I got that when I found out that they were in a separate party. All the NDP and PC convinced me of was that I don't want to vote Liberal. But I wasn't about to vote for the NDP and PC, who as far as I see through the media hardly have platforms. So I'd vote Liberal seeing has he is the only one who seems to know what he wants to do and hope he does everything he says this time.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:15 PM

Grant Terrell (Oakville) wrote:

What a night! So nice to see Mr. Peterson go down in defeat in Mr. Tory's ill-advised campaign. It was amusing to see Mr. Tory attempt to come off as a moderate populist with his contradictory policies.

The facts didn't support his views, so he just kept pulling out his homey little anecdotes - but the voters remember the Harris years and they rejected his disingenuous nonsense. Mr. Tory, being a renowned political strategist since the days he worked for Bill Davis must take this decision of the voters personally, very personally. John (I knew him as a classmate at Osgoode - a decent guy) - get a real job. Toronto needs a mayor...

Posted October 10, 2007 10:15 PM

Morley Lymburner (Stouffville) wrote:

The Conservative Party simply failed to offer the people of Ontario a proper opposition. I think other than displaying poor judgment the Conservatives simply sounded like a broken record over the broken promises issue. I had dearly wished they could find some other mantra just to give us all a break after four years.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:15 PM

Pete S (Peterborough) wrote:

The increase in the "fringe" parties is not a "fringe party story". It's a Green Party story. With 8.2% of the 9.2 "fringe vote" isn't it time to recognize the large increase in this party's fortunes and list them separately.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:15 PM

Ian Williams (Orangeville) wrote:

As a member of the local PC riding for the past 24 years it was difficult to vote Green today but it had to be done to send a clear message to Mr. Tory that his time was up.

The faith based funding fiasco is his departing legacy and will hopefully remind Conservatives in Ontario to never again stoop to such depths to gain marginal votes in a manner reminiscent of the Federal Liberals.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:15 PM

Sarah Cairns (St_Catharines) wrote:

Why isn't anyone talking about the referendum?

Posted October 10, 2007 10:14 PM

Frazer Nagy (Rockwood) wrote:

As a young person i believe a green vote is much more than just a protest vote to a fringe party. It is a vote that shows that Ontarians are stating to look towards the future and are hoping for positive change. It is crucial for Greens to be elected in Ontario, for democracy and for the province.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:14 PM

Brian Daly (Mexico) wrote:

To be more specific, Ajijic, Jalisco Mexico, about 50 KM south of Guadalajara.

My disappointment in this election is the failure of MMP. I am a Canadian expat and would dearly love the minority parties, greens etc to have a voice.

I am saddened that they now will not. I believe that the concept was badly sold and I understand why the liberals/Tories/NDP would prefer that the concept did not pass. Mayhap sometime in the future when a more enlightened campaign will sell the concept.
Regards from the sunny south,
Brian

Posted October 10, 2007 10:14 PM

Ian (Toronto) wrote:

I think it is time people stop the negative comments - and that CBC stop voicing these on the air.

Yes, the Premier got off to a shaky start in his term - he and the rest of the government were learning - now they are very good at what they do.

They have lived up to some of their promises. When I was in grade 4 there were 42 children in my class. My daughter has only 20 in her class. Also there is an aide to help the teacher.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:14 PM

Nick Sharratt (Ottawa) wrote:

I am surprised, yet happy, that John Tory may not be able to hold his seat. This shows how, although he is a party leader, the voters in that riding have stuck to the issues and voted their opinion.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:14 PM

J-M D' Aoust (Ottawa) wrote:

I am ashamed of many Ontarians tonight. These numb, complacent people have decided to accept mediocrity by choosing to re-elect a party that lies and wastes taxpayer money. They were obviously too lazy to investigate and support other parties in protest against the Liberals. We won't even have a minority government so that other parties could limit further waste of our tax dollars. We are no longer a leading province in this country and we definitely won't be for some time.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:13 PM

Dan (windsor) wrote:

I am thoroughly disappointed in the political party choices we as Ontarians have. The Liberals are nothing but arrogant liars. The ONLY reason they keep winning is because there is no better alternative and so the people feel frustrated and don't do anything about it. As bad as the Liberals are, the other 2 parties have no clue as to how to garner public support. I wanted to vote PC but after hearing John Tory's nonsense about faith based school funding, I lost all respect for the man. I hope someday, the other 2 parties will have better leadership and send those lying Liberals packing. P.S. Does this mean that after winning again, McGinty will now give himself ANOTHER $40,000 raise while the rest of Ontarians suffer?

Posted October 10, 2007 10:12 PM

Shawn Mayo (TorontoDanforth) wrote:

I am brutally disappointed in the Ontario Government, and the commission responsible for the referendum for the MMP system. I know that I have received a card in the mail describing what the options will be. I know that all the advertising and news campaigns referred voters to the referendum's website, which contained less information than the mail campaign.

However, what was lacking from the referendum campaign is the provision of any study data what-so-ever. I'm confident that most Ontarians do not know what the referendum was for. If the current Ontario government and the commission were serious about providing the citizens with actual information, more information needed to be provided.

Their website did not contain any data about other governments, in countries such as New Zealand and Germany, where actual proportional representation takes place. If I had not decided to turn to CPAC (while bored on my day off), I would not have known about MMP, the intensive studies, and how my vote may actually mean something.

Ontarians need to see the data, and realize that the numbers are not reflected in the elected officials. First Past the Post is literally taking away the votes of thousands of individuals. I believe if Ontarians were to see the how many people do not vote for the popular parties (Lib and Tory), they would realize just how often their votes are disregarded.

I am not surprised that the Tories are so far behind the Lib's this election. The Tory campaign is based on the removal of funds from public schools, and the bad-mouthing of the Liberal gov't. If John Tory spent more time telling us what he proposed to do in our Province, maybe he would've drawn some more support. The Liberals are simply coasting on their campaign of consistancy. I'm glad, however to see the NDP and 'Other' parties showing more strength. Hopefully, this will result in some much needed change towards the most important issues of healthcare, and our environment.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:12 PM

Muhammed Irshad Jr (MissisaugaBramptonSouth) wrote:

I don't thin the faith based funding should have been given as much attention as it did by the media. I'm sorry but I am very upset with the media for letting this happen. As somone who voted for the liberals the last election, I was very discouraged that the media let the issue of the many broken promises get swept under the carpet and almost forgoten about due to the school funding issue? What about our still disasteous health care system?? What about our failing publicly funded school system where funds never make it to the classroom?? I wish that there was balanced coverage regarding all the issues.

If you continually tell people negitive news on 1 issue, they all start to believe it is negative.

I am now beginning to understand why people get discouraged & choose en masse note to vote.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:12 PM

Elizabeth McLeod (Guelph) wrote:

Im dissapointed in the population, we were cowardly not to vote MMP. MMP was a progressive step for us as a province. The popular vote is once again not reflective of the proportion of seats that parties are receiving. This was an excellent opportunity for the positive change that we all want, yet we couldn't take the plunge.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:12 PM

Adam S. (Toronto) wrote:

This election has clearly demonstrated why the need for an electoral reform is necessary.

The Liberals have lost significant portions of the popular vote, and yet we find we have to put up with four more years of a majority government that no more than 16% of the eligible voting population approve of (40% voter turnout x 40% popular vote = 16% of eligible voters cast a vote in favour of the current regime).

This is precisely the reason why electoral reform needs to take place (i.e. Mixed Member Proportional). MMP would have reduced strategic voting and would have allowed those parties who may have something to say the opportunity to gain seats in Queen's Park, and it may well have encouraged others to vote who have no faith in the present system; it's hard to vote for an alternative candidate when the odds of seeing that alternative candidate are long at best.

To those of you who voted for the status quo, congratulations: you wasted your vote more than anyone who didn't bother to vote. The system clearly needs fixed, we had an opportunity to do it, and we screwed it up.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:11 PM

Dan Borrelli (McMaster_University_Hamilton_ON) wrote:

I'm disappointed that the MMP vote was shot down. I believe that people had a chance to dramatically change the way politics are played in Ontario, and it could have gone a long way to better represent the political diversity in Ontario.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:11 PM

Sharon R. (Lindsay) wrote:

As a long-standing liberal, I am pleased that the Liberals will form the next government, but I am not pleased that they will do so with a majority. Many of us who support the party have been disappointed with McGuinty's performance and feel that this message needs to sent home: We're glad you're back but do a better job this time!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:11 PM

Steven E. Silver (Kingston_Ontario) wrote:

John Tory should have checked out the 1985 election before he started talking about school funding for religious groups. That issue dogged and defeated Frank Miller on May 2nd of that year.

I should add that if Dalton Mc Guinty wins tonight he will be the first Ontario Liberal Premier since Mitch Hepburn in 1937 to win two back to back majorities!! If it is any comfort to the Tories though, Hepburn went down in flames a mere six years later and the Tories had 42 years of uninterrupted rule after that.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:11 PM

Christopher (Toronto) wrote:

While I consider myself left-wing, a majority government frightens me, no matter who has the reigns. We may as well call it a monopoly government.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:11 PM

Stan (Toronto) wrote:

The liberals needs to be congratulated on this win. I personally think McGuintys positive stance and determination not to counter the negative campaigning did win him this victory. The other issue that really got to the voters was the faith based schools.

Ontario's is a melting pot of cultures and what this province requires is a means of integration of the different cultures and not a divisive force.

This is a vote for unity and positive thinking.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:11 PM

Rob Wayne (Hamilton_Ontario) wrote:

I think that it is rediculous that there is so much emphasis on the idea of faith based schools being funded by the government. I see nothing wrong with this. I give two thumbs up to John Tory and his party. It is a noble effort to bringing fairness to all school systems and faith based schools.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:11 PM

andrew (Ottawa) wrote:

I am glad that the Liberals won. I am a lifetime Conservative voter, however, Tory's stance on religious school funding just went against my conservative values. Dalton is a liar yes, but the province is not going to pot...so hey, Ill plug my knose and vote him in again.

As for MPP, it would have caused more problems than fix them. Northern Ontario would have been affected the most.. I am glad that first past the post won.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:10 PM

Sam Ferber (Kingston_ON) wrote:

I was surprised that the Conservative stance on faith-based school funding sealed their fate in this election.

Personally, I feel that the Ontario health care system is a much more important issue in this election. For all of the Liberal ad claims of improving health care, I am still unable to find a family doctor in my hometown and, maybe I'm wrong, but as an ER volunteer in 2007 I don't feel as if wait times have shortened.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:10 PM

Tom Havey (Almonte) wrote:

I'm deeply disappointed, but not overly surprised, in the results of the referendum on electoral reform. Here I sit, looking at how 12% of Ontarians chose to vote Green...and don't get one seat for it? How is this situation supposed to encourage citizens to participate, when it's clear that a lot of the time, your vote DOESN'T COUNT?

I blame the people in charge of the publicity for MMP. The advertising was clearly expensive, and unbelievably poor. Change is scary, so we're stuck with the old system.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:10 PM

Lyndsay McLeod (Toronto) wrote:

I find it frustrating that the change in electoral system did not pass. It is a shame that the gains in popular votes that the NDP and 'Other' parties like the Greens have made will not translate into greater representation in the Legislature. I believe we need a new system to allow individuals to vote for the best party, rather than the "least evil party" as a previous voter stated.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:10 PM

Eric (Ottawa) wrote:

I am surprised the CBC still depicts its pie graphs without a Green Party category, but instead, lumps anything that isn't red, blue or orange into an 'Other' category. Clearly, the Greens are distinctly different from the other fringe parties, and should be given due respect. Viewers want to be able to interpret the numbers, and a undefined, grey, 'Other' category only serves to confuse.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:10 PM

Darrin Homer (Pickering) wrote:

What a SAD commentary this election is. TRULY Ontario has voted for the Devil they know. Enjoy the next 4 years Ontario!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:10 PM

Christine (St_Catharines) wrote:

As a university student, I feel that not enough students take the time to vote because they believe it is too much of a hassle. If voting could be done online, probably more students would vote, since we spend enough time online anyway.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:10 PM

Diane P (Toronto) wrote:

The focus on faith-based schools does not say all that much about the centrality of the policy to the PCs and Mr. Tory. Rather, what it does show is that there was just not much to dislike about Mr. Tory. More importantly it proves that the other parties had little in the way of a good record to bring to the electorate and that the electorate can easily be lead to focus on the trees and not the forest.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:10 PM

Darcie (Ottawa) wrote:

I moved to Ottawa last year, coming from the NDP ruled Saskatchewan. I voted Liberal this year because of what I found when I moved here: Compared to Saskatchewan, Ontario has extremely better health care, better funded and a more robust public school system, incredible access to public services, among so many other things that literally bugged my eyes out! You want to know what the Liberals have done for you? Move to Saskatchewan for 1 year - you'll feel the earth crumbling out from under your feet and will quickly long for the stability and accessability of Ontario.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:09 PM

Alana (Toronto_Ontario) wrote:

It's quite upsetting to see that so far the Green Party has no seats in the legislature. They are a party that should be more recognized, and respected. I see that they are most of the time put down or not seen as an "important" party, when there really is no such thing. I beleive that it is time to see the Green Party having a say in the Government.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:09 PM

Jeff Shipley (Ottawa) wrote:

It is outstanding that the people of Ontario voted for what was best for their province and not for what the provincial politicians said was best for them. You cannot replace a 4 year track record of prosperity with attack ads and second-guessing.

The rejection of faith-based educational funding represents an embrace of secular society and dismissal of institutionalized religion. There is nothing wrong with anyone being committed to a religion but in a multi-ethnic world with a diverse faith based populace like Ontario to embrace John Tory's funding scheme represents a regression in the evolution of Canada as a whole.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:09 PM

Jacqueline Levitt (Toronto_Centre) wrote:

Its noteworthy that the Liberal party could be DOWN in popular votes, yet win more seats & therefore more power in Ontario.

Its unfortunate that MMP didn't get voted in, because it would have helped alleviate this imbalance.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:09 PM

S.Bauer (Ottawa) wrote:

I am profoundly disappointed by the referendum process. The threshold required to pass a change in the electoral system is far higher than the threshold to form a majority government, where a minority of votes can capture a stranglehold on the majority of seats in the legislature. Come on, people, if this isn't tyranny of the minority, what is? Wake up!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:08 PM

Ashley (guelph) wrote:

I cannot believe the Liberals won this election. It seemed to me that our country was begining to relize that saving our planet was a little bit more imporant than the lies that the Liberal Govenment has been getting people to swallow for years. I mean come on peolpe the Liberals stole your money how can you keep them in power? Don't you want our planet to have a figting chance???

Posted October 10, 2007 10:08 PM

Joel Phillips (Toronto) wrote:

MMP is a flawed system that sacrifices accountability in the name of a crude attempt at proportionality. However, lets not see its rejection as an indication that people don't want electoral reform, or, worse, accept Frank de Jong of the Green's patronising analysis that the lack of support was because people found it too complicated.

Anyone that's capable of filling in a tax return is more than capable of understanding how to vote in any of the systems that the citizen's assembly considered. I hope that at the next election, we get a chance to consider alternative, or single transferable voting. In these voting systems, you are able, if you want, to rank candidates in order of preference. They are genuinely fair systems, without any of the party political fudging of MMP.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:08 PM

Josh Hind (ParkdaleHighPark) wrote:

Attempting to polarize this election with a religious issue proved that both candidates didn't understand the people of Ontario. A simple poll would have shown this to be far too contentious an issue on which to base a campaign. It's a terrible shame, especially when this election could have dealt with the day-to-day issues of living that matter to Ontarians: Education, Crime and Health.

To think that only religion, a issue with which the government shouldn't have any involvement, made it to the forefront proves only that sensationalism has trumped reasoned governance.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:08 PM

Jeff Rutledge (London) wrote:

I have a difficult time understanding how Ontarians can select Dalton McGuinty as their leader for another four years.

However beyond that it scares me as a new voter that most Ontarians are less knowledgeable about the real issues of the campaign than I am.

Even though I am a political science student I think that if Ontarians took the time to learn about the real issues beyond the rhetoric that is spat out by the parties this election may be ending up very differently.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:08 PM

Aaron (Ottawa) wrote:

C'mon, CBC. Stop lumping the Green vote into the "Other" category. Tell us how the greens are doing on the screen. Stop using the word "fringe!"

Posted October 10, 2007 10:08 PM

Jodi Whyte (belleville) wrote:

I am watching and I want to know not what the "others" are getting in popular vote but what the Greens are getting.

The Greens are a viable party now - stop pretending they are a part of the Marxist - Lennist party. Report the numbers - they are real, they are here, and they are staying. Put the colour green on your screen.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:06 PM

Gabriel F (Ottawa) wrote:

McGuinty says that faith based schools will divide and segregate our society but he has no problem continuing funding for the Catholic school board which he is a product and a his wife is a teacher. This is appauling, nothing more than state sanctioned religion.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:05 PM

AJ (Brampton) wrote:

What is wrong with this province? We've had 4 years of broken promises and lies, now we'll have 4 more. Liberal supporters claim to hold health care in high regard yet hospitals are closing, case and point Peel Memorial Hospital in Brampton.

Time to move to Newfoundland/Labrador.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:05 PM

Melissa Bowman (Kitchener) wrote:

Please be careful when referring to Green Party votes as protest votes. Some people are not simply sending messages to the so called mainstream parties but would actually like to have green party representatives in power!

Posted October 10, 2007 10:05 PM

Paul Cameron (Oakville) wrote:

I can't believe that the media made this election about a single issue. How can we get responsible coverage an election by media?

Posted October 10, 2007 10:04 PM

Dan B. (Toronto) wrote:

Why are people surprised by any election result?

Leaders make promises. Leaders break them. That's been the history of our politics.

Whether we vote in a leader who has already broken promises or elect a leader who is going to break promises, it's the same deal! We get the same deal!

At least the Liberals are going to help us forget what the Tory government considered "common sense".

Posted October 10, 2007 10:04 PM

Wilson Bant (Toronto) wrote:

So when is someone going to ask Dalton how he plans to address the UN Human Rights Claim violation with our current school funding?

Its clear he supports Catholic School funding, so the only option is faith based funding.

Now that he has won, he can actually be honest and explain to us how he plans to address this issue?

Posted October 10, 2007 10:04 PM

Trevor Smith (Ottawa) wrote:

These elections results are really demonstrating how terribly flawed our current electoral system. The majority of Ontario are opposed to the Liberals (59%) but the Liberals have won a huge majority government. It boggles my mind why people haven't voted in favour of MMP to fix this insanity.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:04 PM

Sebastien Pilon (Ottawa) wrote:

I for one need to agree with some of the comments posted regarding the Referendum. I also agree that the Greens should get a fair shot at the house but unfortunatly the only way for this to happen is to change the electoral system.

It is a shame that most Ontarians did not understand correctly the question or the implication in making our electoral system more democratic. It is further deplorable that Ontarians did not jump at the chance to be part of the political cutting edge of democracy

Posted October 10, 2007 10:04 PM

Neil (Toronto_Centre) wrote:

It's time you (CBC, CTV, etc.) stop referring to votes for the Green party as "protest votes". Don't be so patronizing and ignorant. Many of us vote Green because we sincerely trust their platform and want the Green party to have a voice in government.

Posted October 10, 2007 10:03 PM

Justin Wheeler (Cambridge) wrote:

I'm not sure how anyone could have voted for John Tory. Other than funding faith-based schools, how could we know anything about his policies and platform when he's spent his entire time on our TVs and in our newspapers smearing McGuinty instead of telling me why he's better.

John Tory deserved to lose.

(And I'm no McGuinty supporter, either.)

Posted October 10, 2007 10:00 PM

Christopher Moffat (Goderich_Ontario) wrote:

Well once again Ontario has proven only old bitter people, unwilling to try change must vote!!!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:59 PM

Shiv Patel (Brampton) wrote:

If Howard Hampton was the leader of the Liberal Party and Dalton McGinty was the leader of the NDP party.

Howard Hampton would win !!!!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:59 PM

Carl (Toronto) wrote:

Oh my....John Tory must be weeping...I really hate McGuinty and the Liberals, but they are going to be back stronger than ever. How so many people voted for these liars is beyond me....all I can say is next time the message must be simple and clear. The Liberals will stumble again and hopefully be out in 4 years.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:59 PM

King Tut (Nepean_On) wrote:

These election results just sicken me! The people of Ontario for whatever reason have chosen to re-elect perhaps the biggest liar in Canadian political history - what a shame!

The Fiberal scare machine kicked into overtime on the so-called faith based stance of the PC's. What on earth is wrong with levelling the playing field- if we fund Catholic schools why not schools of other faiths. It would be best to stop funding all schools but those in the public system. the Pope must be laughing in the Vatican!!!

Four more years of McGuinty and his henchmen may leave Ontario worse off then Bob Ray.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:58 PM

Mike L (Ottawa) wrote:

How could they!!! Ontario does not deserve another four years under McGuinty. All we'll see again are broken promises and more taxes. I guess you get what you deserve and are willing to live with a mediorce government.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:58 PM

Don (Thunder_Bay) wrote:

I am not surprised at all with Bill Mauros results in this election. He in particular and the liberals in general have become a sham here in the north. Unlike his peer Mr Gravelle who makes an effort to be part of the community Mr Mauro was more concerned with sound bites and posing for cameras not hearing what we had to say.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:58 PM

Bill Wilson (Waterloo) wrote:

The big story tonight is the surge by the Greens. To go from only 2% to over 8% (so far) is a big big story, and only the beginning I hope.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:58 PM

natalia case (Mississauga) wrote:

So disappointed with these early results. You constantly hear people complaining about things and they either did not come out to express their disappointment with the Liberals OR they got scared off by a media-fed craze on the religious school issue.

On a recent CBC radio show i heard a lady say that the lies that Dalton had told in this recent term didnt matter - cause we should give politicians the bandwidth to change their minds once they get on the job. In my mind - that is what communism is.

Dalton lied and put in place a tax that has led to a surplus. Its a sad day for Ontario because we lost a chance to have a fresh leader with real-world experience. not just another lawyer who can talk his way out of anything.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:57 PM

Victoria (London) wrote:

I'm really curious why people don't vote green. Are they too "new"? Are people afraid of the name, thinking their only policies deal with the environment? People need to do their research!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:57 PM

Mike (Toronto_Centre) wrote:

I would personally like to thank Ontario politicians, parties (and media) for the way they dealt with the most crucial electoral issue concerning Ontarians in recent history.

By the way, I'm talking about changing the way our votes are counted and the way they affect our government.

Thanks for using big words that no one understands (even on the ballot!) and for sometimes keeping us in the dark altogether.

We can now enjoy years of manufactured majorities and two-party politics.

But hey! At least they will get things done!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:57 PM

andy fok (toronto) wrote:

Good job Liberal!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:54 PM

Victor N (Toronto_Ontario) wrote:

I'm very disappointed in this referendum. The public "education" campaign was horrible, and provided very few or none of the points presented by both sides to the general public. Elections Ontario had to WAIT until Referendum day to post their comparison chart in the papers, replacing ads with huge heads with 14pt font saying Referendum on the bottom.

The media was overwhelmingly biased toward one side of the issue (most of them on the no side) and did not allow the yes side to present their side adequately.

Even more sad was the lack of mention of the Citizens' Assembly on Electoral Reform in the later part of the campaign, composed of citizens from across the province who had to give up hundreds of hours for the people of Ontario.

So many people have failed to realize how historic this process was, and have voted out ignorance, misinformation and fear-mongering.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:53 PM

Paul (Brantford) wrote:

I can describe the election in one word 'boring'. Here is what happened when you have scripted election strategies and bubble encased leaders. The end result is absolutely nothing of substance. The media is also to be blamed for this by not doing any digging or asking any questions. In fact I would call this the Seinfeld election, an election about nothing. The sad truth, there was a lot of issues that were not discussed at all.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:52 PM

Stephen Wong (St_Pauls_Toronto) wrote:

John Tory's campaign "Leadership Matters" did not resonate with me at all. It had an empty ring, as though nothing else mattered. The times did not call for "leadership" of the kind being touted by the Progressive Conservatives.

No, certainly not the kind that divides Ontarians or appears merely to arrogate matters of leadership on John Tory. Politics is about power, not leadership. If John Tory wants to lead, he first must have power.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:52 PM

Jon Beer (Toronto) wrote:

Normally I vote NDP, but this time around I voted strategically for the Liberals because I'd hate to see John Tory gain power. His stance on religious school funding proved to me that he does not possess the good judgement that he claims to have. At least we know what we are getting from McGuinty.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:50 PM

Chris Ellis (Thunder_Bay) wrote:

NORTHERN ONTARIO IS FORGOTTEN NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:50 PM

Kim King (Port_Perry) wrote:

John Tory . I felt like his position on School funding was just a not too thinly veiled attack on the Separate School system and the Catholic Church.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:50 PM

Tom (Toronto) wrote:

It is surprising that Ontario voters based their vote on largely one issue - faith based schools - and yet have no idea if the Liberals stand for anything.

It is sad that someone finally addresses the fact that we HAVE a faith based sponsor system currently and we have accepted that Catholicism is the "correct" religion for Ontario. We have decided it is only fair to fund the "best" religion. Did John Tory choose an unpopular method to correct this unfairness? Yes. Is the current system unfair? Of course -- but no one likes to speak to that point.

At least Tory is enough of a leader to tackle issues head on. We speak of the need for real leadership, but we vote for the party that tries to pander to everyone. We like mediocrity and will elect a majority based on it. What does that say about us?

Posted October 10, 2007 09:49 PM

Dave Stewart (Havelock) wrote:

All the ads for both the NDP and Conservatives slammed the liberals and their leader without actually enlightening the public as to their views or policies.

All the Liberal ads I saw were about issues and their stand on them.

In short the Liberals ran on issues and the others were hoping to win by pointing out Liberal faults rather than speaking on their own policies.

I hate attack ads by any party and more likely not to vote for a party which uses them.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:49 PM

Nick Tossell (KitchenerON) wrote:

I am a high school student following the election with the CBC. I am interested in what's happening and voted with StudentVote this past week. I think it would be interesting if you would post some of the results from StudentVote on your TV broadcast. That is what I would like to see. Otherwise you're doing a great job. Kudos to you CBC!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:48 PM

Craig Haynes (Ottawa) wrote:

This election has truly been devoid of debate, lacking in issues, and is being won by default. None of the parties gave people reasons to vote, the exception being the conservatives giving people a reason to vote against them. The results look to be that of anti-selection.

Yet another election will have come and gone without an engaged electorate, and my prediction is for poor voter turnout.....time will tell!

Great web and television coverage! Thanks for your efforts!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:48 PM

Robert S (Oakville) wrote:

Green Party has good values and they should get a seat please. Why are we not getting any referendum results?

Posted October 10, 2007 09:47 PM

Jeanette van Loon (Bowmanville_Ontario) wrote:

I am disappointed in the media's coverage of the MMP issue - a more balanced reporting of the issues would have been nice.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:47 PM

Patrick (London) wrote:

I just want to express my concern about the obvious outcome of the referrendum. I personally feel that MMP is a more democratic system and would better represent the beliefs of the people.

As it stand right now the Liberals lead with 62 seats yet have only 40% of the vote. If it stays this way they will win a majority without a majority of the popular votes.

Also, the Green party has 7.3% of the votes, but not one seat. It's upsetting because most Ontarians had no idea what they were even voting on with the referrendum (the feeling I get from talking with others). This would naturally lead people to stick with what they are used to (FPTP). It's unfortunate and I hope things change in the future.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:47 PM

Edward Clermont (Kingston_Ont) wrote:

To ask the small business community to increase wages by $2.00 as of now is to say the least,an economicly novice move!. Slowly increase wages to reflect the economic abiliity of the local market to pay a wage based on this growth of the market.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:46 PM

Scott Lynch (Toronto) wrote:

It never ceases to amaze me how truly uneducated the people of Ontario (and Canada for that matter) actually are.
Dalton McGuinty has been the worst Premier this Province has ever seen.

He is a blatent liar whose interests rest solely in supporting his Big Business "Buddies."

This Man and his Party have not only done more damage than the Harris Government did, but he CONTINUES to lie to us and the people of Ontario are still falling for it.

What would be so bad about electing a completely new Party like the Greens and giving them a chance rather than sticking to the same 2 Parties over and over?

I have a letter Mr. McGuinty wrote to the Civil Liberties Associatition BEFORE he became Premier promising to help those on Disability. Not only was the letter typically a blatent LIE since Disability rates have not in fact been adequately raised, but during his tenure, he and his then Minister Sandra Pupatello PUNISHED the poor and underpriveledged by taking away their rights to a Diet Allowance further endangering the lives of the poorest and most vulnerable. That is not leadership, that is childish behaviour in retaliation to people rising up and demanding what is rightfully theirs.

Not to mention Dalton's 25% pay raise for his Party and $40 000.00 of taxpayer's money for HIS personal Bank Account.

This is obviousely the proof that I need to move to Alberta and say goodbye to Ontario forever and the fools that inhabit it.

Western Canada, here I come!!!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:46 PM

Andre (Scarborough) wrote:

Return of the Liberals?

Perhaps it's time for an exodus to Europe.

With the Harper Conservatives in charge in Ottawa and the McGuinty Liberals in charge in Toronto....it's looking less and less like Heaven.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:46 PM

Darren (Ottawa) wrote:

I keep hearing about letting kids vote. These comments are obviously either from kids or from people who don't have kids. At 16, the vast majority of kids make emotionally based decisions that have nothing to do with the reality of the situation. I have a 17 year old, and she is a smart kid, honors and all. There is no way I would dream of thinking she could make an informed decision about something as important as this. I am not bashing the kids of today, but they are very simply not ready for this. For god sakes, let them be their age, why do they need to do this at 16 and 17. Nothing but bad can come of this.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:45 PM

Helen Lucas (Richmond_Hill) wrote:

Frank DeJong and the Green Party swayed my vote with its position on education funding. It's long past time to eliminate funding for the Catholic system. The Liberals and the NDP didn't have the courage to do this--only the Greens did.

Ontario in 2007 is the most multicultural region in the world, with Toronto being the most diverse city in the world according to the U.N. Nowhere is it more important than in this province to nurture harmony and respect among our children by having them learn and play together in one secular public school system. One secular system would also deal with the inequity and unfairness that the U.N. has asked to be addressed.

The Greens, of course, have the best environmental policies, also very important to me, and it should be to all Ontarians. I'm very intrigued by Frank DeJong's fresh and alternative policy proposals that include "taxing what you burn, not what you earn." I agree with the Greens that it's time to tax bad things (eg, wasteful use of resources) and not good things (eg, income).

Good luck to Shane Jolley in Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound in becoming our first Green MPP! Go Greens!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:45 PM

sarah (Ottawa) wrote:

Well CBC is officially calling a liberal majority. What a proud day to be an Ontario resident! We get what we deserve, if we refuse to hold politicians to account,we will never have leadership based on integrity.
What a lesson to teach our children.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:44 PM

Sanj (Toronto) wrote:

Thank you for having someone at the Green Party! I'm watching for sure!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:44 PM

Patrick White (Toronto_ON) wrote:

I am a thirteen year old supporter of the New Democratic Party who reluctantly supports the Liberals. I believe that whoever is running John Tory's campaign did an absolutely terrible job and, if anything, swayed people away from voting Progressive Conservative.

As for the referendum, Elections Ontario did not do a good enough job educating citizens on the different systems and other aspects. Since people do not understand the choices, they are more likely to vote in favour of the status quo.

Also, when people see the phrase "citizens’ assembly" they become more cautious and form ideas in their head of the citizens’ assembly that are completely inaccurate.

Mixed member proportional could easily support visible minorities via list members and result in more minority governments, which some people believe to be not good but actually have several benefits.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:42 PM

Iain M (Toronto) wrote:

I think that everyone that voted Liberal again or w/e is an absolute idiot.....(excuse my language) because dalton broke every SINGLE PROMISE he made in the last election..... Did anyone mention that we are discriminating against the basis of religion because of not funding religion based schools.... Did all of you know that maybe the reason Dalton Mcguinty is not going to fund religion based schools is because HIS WIFE AND KIDS ALL GO AND TEACH A CAAAATTTHHHHOOOLLLLIIIIICCCCCCCC SCHOOLS......

THINK PPL THINK!!!!!!!!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:42 PM

Justin Wheeler (Cambridge) wrote:

You're absolutely wrong. Ontarians have /not/ said that the liberals are the best choice.

What Ontarians have said is that the liberals are the LEAST EVIL of the choices.

The PC party wanted to throw our money at faith-based schools.

The Liberal party has (and will likely continue to) throw our money at their friends.

The NDP party isn't and hasn't been in touch with reality for quite some time.

They're all horrible choices, the Liberal are just the devil we know, and the least evil of the choices.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:42 PM

Eileen Voisin (Brampton_) wrote:

I am so very angry with this election.I do not understand why anyone bothered.With so much attention on mcguinty winning,so many of us did not even vote.Ontario will be sorry for this.Polls really affected me and my family.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:41 PM

Danielle Nelson (Halifax_NovaScotia) wrote:

I am 19 years old and voting for the first time this year by proxy vote. I found the process very frustrating and the information on how to vote from out of province was difficul to access! There has not been much coverage of the Ontario election on Nova Scotian news but basically they predicted there would be little change in Ontario politics. That does seem to be how the election is rolling out so far, but I hope people will not let the change in election focus deter them from embracing a new electoral process. I think the MMP is a great proposal that stops people from basically throwing away their vote if they want to vote for an independent, as well as stopping people voting for an independent just because they don't want another party to get in.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:40 PM

Kristen Ellis (Thunder_Bay) wrote:

Every year I sit and watch the election in hopes that big changes will come. Every year I'm disappointed by the outcome of the election. I am a 28 year old who has never voted and I haven't voted because I feel that regardless of who gets voted in, they will ultimately do whatever they want when they get the power.

When are politicians going to keep their promises? I want leaders who keep promises and look after the people who need help......seniors, children, low-income families. Canada is a free country, but how free are you really? So many Canadian families are suffocated by debt, personally I've been on the waiting list for surgery for 3 years and I constantly have to work to support my family and battle being ill everyday! I have lived below poverty for all 28 years of my life and I have worked up to 3 jobs at one period. Where is my relief? Where is the relief of all Canadians? Every politician has their own agenda in the end and I feel it's where the $$$$ are.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:40 PM

Alexandra (LaSalle_Ontario_Canada) wrote:

Hi! I am a gr. 7 student at Prince Andrew Public School and I've been watching this election on the air with my dad. I would just like to say that I am slightly dissapointed to where this election is leading.

The Green Party is here to keep our environment clean and stop polution. But seeing as how they never earn any seats in the elections, their ideas are never taken quite seriously. Recently, my school voted in a school election. Even though the green party was unable to make it, they placed 3rd overall in the rankings. My brother goes to Sandwich Secoundary and at his school they placed 1st! I believe that adults should become more aware of the Green Party, seeing how Canada is the most poluted country in the world! Remember if we don't save our country, from polution, there won't be any more elections! Think about it.

Alexandra, Grade 7, LaSalle.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:40 PM

Robert Dawson (Lennoxville_Quebec) wrote:

To those who say Dalton McGuinty is a liar, so be it. However, a look at the history of the Progressive Conservative governments in power will show that they have done more harm than help to the province. So in choosing between incompetent government or liars, I'd choose the liars. It might not be ideal, but it's the lesser of two evils.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:40 PM

Kelly (Brantford) wrote:

As suspected, the voters of Ontario have chosen to put a liar back into power for another 4 years.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:39 PM

jamil (mississauga) wrote:

there is no doubt that Mr Tory has shown more guts than any other canadian leader since Chretien did during Quebec referendum, by raising the faith based education funding. I pay a lot of taxes just like most of other ontarions but my kids cannot go to Catholic schools - they can go to Catholic school if I convert to a Christian. To me that is already a living example of discrimination based on religion and I thought Canada was above such matters. I am disappointed that majority of population thinks that it is ok to fund Catholic schools but not to fund other schools. Do we want to teach our children that this discrimination and inequality is acceptable? Surprisingly, majority of us failed to understand this simple logic.

I am also disappointed that majority of population has failed to understand the strength and value of their vote by (almost certainly) rejecting the election reform. I have been a proponent of pure proportional system but any form is better than our current system. If I vote for green party and liberal candidate wins from my riding, my vote is actually wasted. The proportional system still provides some value to my vote. Surprisingly, majority of us fail to understand this simple logic too.

Finally, Mr McGuinty promised, signed and then backed off his word. I see that as being a liar, right? And yet the majority of us are willing to vote for him again. We do not accept lying spouse or children or colleagues - the people we can always go back to talk to. But we are willing to trust a stranger (= Mr McGuinty) after his lies. Surprisingly, majority of us fail to understand this simple logic again.

To conclude, what did the Ontarions gain in this election: keeping discriminating eduction system, refusing to add value to our vote and allowing someone who broke promise under oath yet again to direct our future. What a loss!!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:39 PM

Z Bell (ontario) wrote:

How quickly citizens forget broken election promises and things like the sponsorship scandal. I don't understand how people are able to place their trust in people that have done nothing but take advantage of their parliamentary position to fulfill their own self-serving needs. I can't believe that the Liberals are winning. Are people so unconcerned about the future of this country that they'll vote just for the sake of voting and not fear the reprocautions that their ballot may have on their future lives. Personally, I prefer to live in a democracy where I'm not being laughed at for being gullable enough to vote for the political party that has decieved me the most.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:39 PM

Todd (Toronto) wrote:

In spite of how much this will make me sound like a 'mindless robot' (thanks for that elightning speach, BTW), I am frankly sick of this 'broken promise' banter. I agree that this focus on the part of the current opposition more or less made for a pointless campaign - I want ideas from the leaders and the candidates, and good reasons why I should vote for them, not long explanations of why I shouldn't vote for the other guy (I can figure that out myself).

Posted October 10, 2007 09:38 PM

Dan B. (Toronto) wrote:

I learned over the last four years that I'd rather have a government break promises and offer stability than a government that keeps its promises and creates chaos in the province.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:37 PM

Christopher F. (BramptonSpringdale) wrote:

My name is Christopher. I am 13 years old. I am watching the election because I feel that we as the youth of Ontario have a huge impact, especially the future of politics in Ontario. Personally, I believe that the Green Party is doing very well, and we hear about the party promoting the environment, but watching the Brampton-West election, hearing that the Green Party wanted to merge the school system? I think that the funding the faith based school is wrong. I also believe that PMH (Peel Memorial Hospital) should not be closed under Liberal power. Remain PHM open.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:37 PM

Kent becker (Qualicum_Beach_BC) wrote:

A couple of prov.funded religious schools that restrict admission to their own faith have not fared well in B.C. Its a great way to create division amongst our children.This should have never be an issue in any future elections. If schools don't have open admission then they get no funding.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:36 PM

Philip Edamura (Victoria_BC) wrote:

Thank you for publishing the students vote. I think it's telling that students voted the way they did. Yes they may not be as well informed as the majority of adults, however an adults political knowledge is not taken into account in the voting system. Most students are also not as jaded by past politics as adults are. The interesting thing to me is that the green party received so many votes. This is partially due to the recent media coverage on environmental change. However, as a fairly well politically informed younger adult, that has also taken an interest in protecting the environment long before the recent media rush this is an encouraging trend.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:36 PM

Jason Oberfrank (Hamilton) wrote:

I can't believe that the voters allow this election to boil down to one issue. The liberals failed in so many areas the did not deserve a majority government.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:36 PM

Lauren Cardoso (windsor_ontario) wrote:

I am in grade 5 and we are learning about government and the importance of voting. In our class had the chance to vote. I am watching the show tonight to see who most kids voted for. I cant wait until i am 18 to vote!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:35 PM

Chris Green (St_Catharines) wrote:

I think that a very important issue that was not covered was Post Secondary Funding.

This is paramount for the future and sucess of Ontario.

I am confident that the McGuinty government has this on their radar and I hope that it stays a priority.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:35 PM

Narendra Pachkhede (Mississauga) wrote:

THis is a template election...as we call in north america... a cookie cutter!! With no discourse at all in play!!! What a shame!!!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:35 PM

Dan Blocka (Etobicoke) wrote:

This election is shaping up as expected - a two party race with the Liberals looking like they will come back with a majority. That's too bad because of the single issue around schools that a committed and potentially very good political leader in John Tory will not get a chance to lead us in the province.

This country and the rest of the world has a huge vacuum when it comes to political leadership and having people coming into politics with the right reasons, passion and heart . I really believe John Tory is a person with these qualities and Dalton McGuinty is only your typical politician that blows with the winds.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:35 PM

Barry Dewar (Erin) wrote:

I expect a Liberal win, John Tory lost it from the start. Not much of a choice this election, might as well settle for the rogues we know.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:35 PM

Grace (London_ON) wrote:

I am a university student (home town Scarborough) that voted in London. I REALLY hope that the Liberals are kicked out of office after all the promises they broke. I was already planning to vote Conservative despite their support for faith-funded schools...after John Tory said he would have a free vote on it I voted Conservative much happier.

Whatever happens, John Tory has proven himself as a true leader and a man of integrity. I really hope he wins his seat and shows Ontario that they can have a better future under his guidance.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:35 PM

Susan Jensen (Prince_George_BC_Canada) wrote:

We visited Ontario in the late spring and early summer. The reason being, our daughter is attending UWO. We absolutely loved everything about Ontario. We especially loved London, Ontario, and the Niagara Falls District and all the little towns in between. Because our daughter is in Ontario, I am very much interested in what is going on. I do not think the NDP will do well this time. The reason why I feel this way, is because of Bob Rae. I do not like it when people change parties (NDP/to Liberal/back to NDP/. I feel a person should be in one party and stick with it. I do like the Green Party platform, but I feel they have a very uphill battle against the "big guys - Liberal and NDP, Be thankful you are all living in a very beautiful province and have alot of resources available to you. Well, I must run, the results are coming on the tellie.

Susan Jensen, Prince George, B.C. Canada

Posted October 10, 2007 09:34 PM

Mary (Keswick_) wrote:

Hello,
My name is Mary and I am 13 years old and in grade 8 at my elementary school in Keswick. Why should we vote for people who can't keep it clean? Their adds are putting other candidates down, and making themselves look bad. Instead of striking down their opponents with silly plays on words, they should stick to their own issues, and make it clear what they want for the future of Ontario.
Thanks,
Mary

Posted October 10, 2007 09:34 PM

Jon Beer (Toronto) wrote:

I normally vote NDP, but this year I decided to strategically vote Liberal just to make sure that John Tory didn't gain power. His stance on religious school funding proved to me that he does not possess the good judgement that he claims to have. Dalton McGuinty isn't as flashy, but at least we know what we are getting, and that his heart is in the right place.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:34 PM

Richard (Ottawa) wrote:

Why are we not getting any results from the referendum?

Posted October 10, 2007 09:34 PM

Narendra Pachkhede (Mississauga) wrote:

This elections precisely represents the nature of inertia that our society manifest. This election was one of the intellectually lazy exercise that has been undertaken in the recent times. I am not being rhetorically cynical in saying so! Just as some of the remarks here suggest a complete misread of issues as well as misrepresentation, the political campaigns in this election were absolutely below par. Faith based school issue, what ever ones position is, typifies a singular example of inertia in our society where we are refusing to face the reality, that continues to be in a flux.

Electorate and politicians of all parties missed the bus!!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:33 PM

alex perry (toronto) wrote:

hi my name is alex and i am wondering why nobody is voting for the green party

Posted October 10, 2007 09:33 PM

sandy (toronto) wrote:

My biggest motivation this time around was keeping the PC's out. The spectre of the Harris conservatives still looms large and we are still cleaning up the massive mess they left behing.

I've been a long time NDP supporter but voted Liberal in this election, as well as the last.

It's not just a strategic vote; I have to reluctantly admit that McGuinty's gov't is doing a pretty good job and with more $ going back into social services...we need more but it's a start.

I think "ambivalent" sums up my feelings about this election.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:32 PM

Bruce Fielder (Saskatchewan) wrote:

From a distance, it's more a spectator sport. Three thoughts:

1. If even the students couldn't get a 60% majority, MMP is likely dead.

2. I do so enjoy seeing commentators trying to find something to say when one poll out of 281 is in!

3. Another shutout for the grens?

Posted October 10, 2007 09:31 PM

Matt McLean (North_Bay_Ontario) wrote:

I was surprised by how low key this election was. To me it felt as if people were trying to make you forget when the election was. What I did hear I was not impressed.

Between the smear campaigns and the big city stories, I feel like most of my issues are being forgotten. What about the environment? What about the North?

For too long the North has been forgotten, neglected, ignored and unappriciated. Maybe next time I'll be able to hear about the situations that really matter to me, instead of hearing what an awful candidate the other fellow is.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:31 PM

Craig L (Oakville) wrote:

What still bothered me during the whole election is the political and personal bashing against one another.For those that are real interested in our future not only as a province but a country .

Is listen to what they ( the politician ) is going to do and how - we already know and remember what they did wrong - we all lived it - I did vote because of my riding. But I was not impressed with any of the leaders - not one showed what, and how to lead this province to prosparity.

P.S. We spent too much on the referendum question - I do not want to pay more taxes to more politicians who do not deserve to be there - isn't that why we vote in the first place....

Posted October 10, 2007 09:31 PM

Joseph Ahorro (Edmonton_Alberta) wrote:

As a PhD student in political science focusing on the state of Canadian democracy, many of us concerned with the fairness of electoral systems are paying close attention to the MMP debate and referendum results in Ontario.

As empirical trends reveal Canadians' desire for a legislature reflective of their electoral preferences, a referendum in favour of electoral change can have momentous effects to reform other jurisdictions across Canada and potentially at the federal level. Tonight can have historic implications.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:31 PM

K (Kitchener) wrote:

How soon the people of Ontario forget the Liberal lies.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:31 PM

Serena (Thunder_Bay_ON) wrote:

I believe that the student voting is a great way to contribute in the election. After all students the age of 16 and over should be able to vote if they are old enough to drive. Students under the age of 16 should still be able to do the student vote to get a feel of what they are going to be doing in the near future.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:31 PM

Don (Nolalu) wrote:

I live in the Thunder Bay Atikokan riding and Elections Ontario so screwed up the addresses of the residents and where they vote, I know that many did not. Because they had to go past a polling station in our village and go to the next village. It is a disaster! I phoned Elections Ontario when I received my card in the mail and got no joy. This vote in our riding is so messed up you will not see the will of the residents here tonight.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:30 PM

Shawn MacIntyre (Vancouver_BC) wrote:

I wish you guys would break out the green % vote from other as the other group is overwhelmed by the green party. The current display on the TV is unfair to other parties who don't want to be associated with the greens.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:30 PM

Mary (Keswick_Ontario) wrote:

Hi,
my name is Mary and I am 13 years old and I'm in grade 8 in an elementary school in Keswick, Ontario. I am happy to see the Green Party came in second in the student vote. I think that their views on education are a little ambitious and probably in the end impractical, but at least they have a plan for the future of Ontario. Even though their views are questionable, I have to give them the prise for the cleanest, and clearest campaign. They have made it clear that they want to support public transportation and to focus on the environmental issues. The reason why I think students voted for them, is because they know what they want for Ontario. Can we say the same for the others? I think the other parties need to take this into account for their next election, because we ARE the future
Thanks,
Mary

Posted October 10, 2007 09:30 PM

David Goodman (Madrid_Spain) wrote:

It has been a long time since I´ve been able to watch the election results studying overseas for some time. Even though its three in the morning, I´m usualy just starting the best part of the evening here in Madrid on a typical night, but it´s nice for me to be connected back with Canada and I´m happy to stay home and watch your simulcast. In particular I´m really interested in the referendum results, perhaps Canada will move towards a more representative and European style system where alternative voices can be regognised. Thanks for offering the simulcast.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:30 PM

Green Alien (Still_Blue_Planet) wrote:

I vote for the Green since they are the only new hope besides the old political chronies.

If we do not give them a chance to save whatever is left from this country (and by riple effect planet) which has become a garbage bin, then in a few decades the only hope for salvation would be from their remote relatives from the outer space: little green aliens.

Boy was Bertrand Russell right most men are scoundrels, and the result is: everything is dirty air, soil, water, mental environment.

We blame it on science, like the killer blames the murder on the knife. Our own stupidity is to blame.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:30 PM

Pascal Niccoli (Toronto) wrote:

As a first year pharmacy student, I have recently learned what the truly important health care issues are today.

The Liberal promise to create an electronic health record for all Canadians by 2015 is key. This will reduce both physician and pharmacist error in prescribing and dispensing drugs, and aid in avoiding harmful drug interactions. One must not underestimate the importance of this promise in terms of attracting votes within the health care community.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:30 PM

bernard ratledge (Mississauga) wrote:

Despite an abysmal campaign providing the alternative to the Liberals the PC,s are doing far better than the Polls suggested. As a diehard Tory this was the chance to rid the province of this bunch of promise breakers and restore public confidence in the political process. The best scenario would be John Tory leading the Liberal Party under the MMP form of election!!!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:30 PM

Jordan (Belleville) wrote:

Although I am not yet of age to vote I will be for the next provincial election. I feel that it is very important that the new electorial system is passed so that parties like the Green party will have a greater chance of earning seats. The Green party may not be capable of running a province but at least some representation for the environment is important.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:30 PM

Gary (Toronto) wrote:

Hello.

I'm from Ireland, but I'm living in Toronto at the moment - and while it's interesting to see a form of proportional representation on the cards, I wonder why it is that only one option was presented in the referendum poll.

We are used to the kind of single transferable vote system which was on offer in British Columbia a few years ago - one which has served the Irish electorate well for over eighty years, and would give more of a say to smaller parties in Ontario than FPTP would - and retains the link to a representative in a (multi-menber) constituency that the party list option can lack.

What reason was given for the selection of MMP as the only alternative put to Ontario, and why other systems, such as STV, cast aside?

And will this choice prevent the possibility of pushing for STV in future?

Posted October 10, 2007 09:29 PM

Robert (Toronto) wrote:

I wholeheartedly agree with the comment re the two ballots going into the one box. I also agree thatthe choice is crystal-clear. As a blind person, I woul like to see more accessibility issues addressed, particularly as regards the TTC and the issue of announcing stops on bus routes. I am quite satisfied with the announcements on the subway and feel the corporation could well implement a similar procedure on surface routes.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:29 PM

Eric Piche (Toronto_Danforth_riding) wrote:

Hi There,

I think it's quite tragic that Elections Ontario did not do a better job of educating the public about MMP.

The new electoral system is THE key election issue because all else in politics depends on the fairness of the electoral system and fairness is completely lacking in our First Past the Post system.

Until we fix our electoral system to accurately represent the voice of the population, we can't really expect people to be engaged. Why should they when the system essentially ignores what they say?

Cheers,
Eric

Posted October 10, 2007 09:29 PM

John Smith (Ottawa_ON) wrote:

Not much, but it's interesting as to the huge amount of change that has occurred over one issue of funding for faith based schools. What does it say about residents of Ontario if they are willing to trust a party that "betrayed" them to such a large degree after the last election. Now I am a supporter of the Liberals, just something I thought I would point out. Although I'm certain it has been before.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:29 PM

Gary (Peterborough) wrote:

The Student Vote program is a great idea and I think the results are telling. Students appear to be happy with the stability in education, and the weak results for the Conservatives may suggest a rejection of the faith-based school funding proposal. It's about time that politicians listened to the youth and engage them in our political process.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:28 PM

Tony (Niagara_Falls) wrote:

What I do not understand during this election is that the liberals do not want to fund religious base schools but it’s ok to vote in a church. Make up your mind on what you want to do.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:28 PM

Stephanie (Richmond_Hill) wrote:

I am very dissapointed. I would like to point out, that at the beginning of your program someone had mentioned that " people don't want to see Dalton Mcginty in power " yet if you look at the polls you will see that the Liberals are taking the lead. I would personaly would love to see NDP win this election. GO NDP!!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:28 PM

MMP Voting System (Peterborough) wrote:

Change may be tough to achieve but it is a thought provoking situation. I do believe some change is necessary but not this change. It is a starting point but everyone should be elected to government. I do not thing any appointments are good for government. Run on your morals, issues, and your character, but nothing that resembles any type of appointment, or choice of the party is acceptable to me.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:28 PM

Graham Yeates (Kitchener) wrote:

Will the coverage of results include the referendum’s?

If not when will those results be released?

Posted October 10, 2007 09:28 PM

Sean McNamara (sarnia) wrote:

What gives anyone the right for them not to let me vote i am canadian i live in sarnia i have ID to prove where i live but i was told i could not vote. my dad is a sdro and my girlfriend is a dro but i could not vote. please tell me why. i have been talking to alot of people today and i could not vote when i wanted too.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:27 PM

Todd Falkowsky (Toronto) wrote:

I am loving the graphics that you guys have generated for the coverage. Can you send some captures to the Canadian Design Resource so that we can post them? Really nice to see another great design via the CBC!

thx

Posted October 10, 2007 09:27 PM

Aaron (Toronto) wrote:

I was hoping the Green Party would get a few more votes - I wonder if people voted for Green because they were fed up with the Liberal or Conservative choices. I think that is true in my riding.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:27 PM

Ian K (Toronto) wrote:

Thanks CBC for not declaring the election results after one poll. Is the other channel's extremely early prediction based upon the actual voting results or just more tele-marketing opinions.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:27 PM

Stephanie (Richmond_Hill) wrote:

I am very dissapointed. I would like to point out, that at the beginning of your program someone had mentioned that " people don't want to see Dalton Mcginty in power " yet if you look at the polls you will see that the Liberals are taking the lead. I would personaly would love to see NDP win this election. GO NDP!!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:27 PM

Aaron Wilson (Thunder_Bay) wrote:

I am thinking Green. I have been waiting for years (well for 8 since I've been able to vote) for the Green Party to get a seat. I have my fingers crossed and am hoping by the end of the night to kiss the earth in celebration.

More importantly however I am hoping Ontario made the right decision to ris ourselves of the archaic "first past the post" system. I have always been reluctant in recent years to vote as I do not believe without some sort of proportional representation system, can we ever have a vibrant and flourishing democracy in the truest sense of the word. In the end I'm not really interested in who wins the election but in what sort of electoral system we will be voting in the next time.
Peace

Posted October 10, 2007 09:26 PM

lb (Oshawa) wrote:

It is quite amazing that Ontarians have such short memories. All McGuinty did after signing his pledge to not raise taxes was to raise them. I guess you can never go wrong under-estimating the intelligence of Ontarians. C'est le vie.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:26 PM

Rafiq Rahemtulla (Brampton_ON) wrote:

The referendum ballot was rather complex and it seems that the pre-election information was misleading (it appeared that it would be a yes/no vote). I am concerned that the shear abundance of words on the ballot and the non-intuitive order of the option may have cause some deal of confusion. I have spoken with people who were for the MMP voting against it assuming the yes option would preceded the no.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:26 PM

Sebastian (Ottawa) wrote:

I don't understand how John Tori thought it would be a good idea to spend $500 M on faith based schools. This is for sure a way to create even more segregations within our communities. How will our children learn to be respectful of other faiths and cultures if they will not be exposed to them.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:26 PM

Scott Arnold (ScarboroughGuildwood) wrote:

It looks like Ontario are getting what they deserve. A government being lead by a desperate liar who ran a poor campaign focusing on faith based education rather than on his record, or lack thereof. By having McGuinty hide the health tax, it has given him the opportunity to keep it under wraps. How many more tax hikes will McGuinty enjoy screwing us with over the next few years.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:26 PM

Glenn Townley (TorontoDanforth) wrote:

It's always a bit funny to get the very earliest returns given the fact one or two polls rarely telss a story. But it is additioanlly funny that this riding Tortonto-Danforth has been reported with 2 polls reporting for a grand total (according to CBC's television coverage) of a single vote. The results were dutifully announced without anyone thinking to comment how unlikely 2 polls could possibly produce 1 single vote.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:26 PM

Steve (Newcastle) wrote:

Mixed member sounded great until the appointed seats issue came to light. I don't think we need an extra 19 seats that are appointed. That sounds like a new Ontario senate.
Give me a break lets focus on getting business back in Ontario and get the Ontario engine working again!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:25 PM

stuart rogers (toronto_st_pauls) wrote:

Why do people wait until the election campaign to form their opinion of the the parties, the leaders, and the candidates??

Their judgement is based completely on speculation over whether the politicians are telling the truth, whether they will keep their promises, what the agenda really is... The time to form your opinion of a party, its leader, and the platform, is during the previous four years of legislative activity.

In a way, Kim Campbell was right when she said that an election campaign is no time to discuss issues (sorry for the misquote, I'm sure it's not quite right).

I don't need to listen to or watch all the evening news sound bites this month to know what Dalton, John, Howard, and Frank are all about. I'd be a fool to base my vote on the marketing schemes put forward in the last 30 days.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:25 PM

Nick (KW) wrote:

Say good bye to the faith based school system.

I do not know why no (or was it one?) party has taken the right stance - abolish all different schools and make it one school system. The Catholic School System is a waste of money. Put the money into a mandatory world religions or tolerance and diversity education instead of segregating children

And why don't I see anything about Lukas Bebjak?

Posted October 10, 2007 09:25 PM

Ahmed Farah. (Ottawa) wrote:

I personally think that the schools voting is great. The votes should actually count. Students in high school should have their vote casted, it would make them feel more responsible.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:25 PM

Paul Serverio (Vaughan) wrote:

Because of the whole faith based school funding issue, I voted green after voting PC my whole life. I just couldn't bring myself to vote Liberal.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:24 PM

Honri Theunnasson (Ajax) wrote:

Similar to 1995 in that it was John Tory's to lose. He could have pulled off a Minority but the creation of a non-issue and the loss of control of the message is a message that will be heeded by future candidates.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:24 PM

Michael Mattingly (Galveston_Texas) wrote:

The PC's will not win this election, The Liberals will stay in power until 2011, however the PC's will be a stronger opposition to this government. The Tax issues that the Liberals blew in 2003 will come to haunt them in the years to come.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:24 PM

Allan (Toronto) wrote:

"John Tory is a smart guy with big business experience"; wasn't John Tory the one who was behind negative-option billing at Rogers ...?

Posted October 10, 2007 09:24 PM

Adam (Burlington) wrote:

What I found very interesting was the question over faith based schooling.

I would be interested in knowing if the Catholic system was in favour of this idea since they themselves are operating within this model already.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:24 PM

Edward (Barrie) wrote:

Oh my god I should have voted!!

Posted October 10, 2007 09:23 PM

Preston Smith (StCatharines) wrote:

Liberals need to get out, I would've expected more from both the Greens and Conservatives.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:23 PM

Tyler (Kingston) wrote:

The student vote has this flawed and ridiculous MMP system failing 55-45.

If the system's proponents couldn't even convince the usually idealistic and left-wing high school vote to endorse the system, does it have any chance among the regular electorate?

Posted October 10, 2007 09:23 PM

Darren (Ottawa) wrote:

The school thing is blown so far out of proportion, it's ridiculous. I personally agree with the harsh stance, but it will never fly as we are used giving the Catholic community whatever they want. It's not mine, but it's our culture as a province, and country.

As for the candidates in general. I simply cannot believe why this province, federal or provincial, continue to let the Liberal party break promises, tell us bold face lies, have scandal after scandal, and we as a province are going to let them in again. Shame on the mindless robots who buy into this. Look deep in the mirror when the Liberals continue with the lies, letting criminal out in thier (catch and release) program, and lead this province without the leadership skills to run a preschool. You are all to blame.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:17 PM

Ken R. (Toronto_ON) wrote:

What bugs me is that the two ballots went into the same box. Is it that hard to avoid sorting through MP and referendum ballots by providing a second box?

Other than that - this election was a clear choice. The improving status quo or a complete reset.

The decision that comes out tonight may have us rethinking it by next year.

Just a thought.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:11 PM

Harry Leslie (Pickering) wrote:

My entire life I have hoped for a proportional representation system of some sort. The referendum offers something on this issue. Polls indicate that the referendum results won't bring us a proportional system. I will be tremendously disappointed. I hope we will fix this unfair first past the post system in my lifetime - I'm 44 now.

Posted October 10, 2007 09:11 PM

Mark (Toronto) wrote:

I'm a social democrat and have always voted NDP.

Unfortunately Howard Hampton has not been able to ignite the voting public,although his clearly stated policies are sorely needed and sound, he seems to lack the requisite charisma.

We can only hpoe for a Liberal minority strenthened by a strong NDP official party status presence.

It will take many decades to repair the damage wreaked on us by Harris ,especially in this era of ceaseless ,unmitigated growth.

Posted October 10, 2007 08:56 PM

Bill (St_Marys) wrote:

I agree with Christine Holz (Mississauga).

Separate schools for every religion will only lead to suspicion and distrust going forth in the future.

Not to mention the ineffienancy of dozens of small school systems.

I am for NO funding to any religious schools.

Let them teach their religious beliefs in their churches and teach truth and education in the schools where all beliefs get to work and learn together.

There are already many examples around the world of what can and will happen if we segregate communities.

Posted October 10, 2007 08:46 PM

Gerry Hewitt (Grand_Bend_On) wrote:

Today I voted wearing a mask with only my eyes visible.

Nobody cared, and the person who checked me in pretented to be able to match my face to my photo I.D.

Wasn't somebody supposed to check out my unmasked face so as to verify my identity?

Posted October 10, 2007 08:40 PM

David (Guelph) wrote:

This is an election in which the most important issues facing us were barely mentioned. The Tories had no intention of opening up a real debate as all their policies, not just funding for religious school, would have been seen as unacceptable. It' unfortunate that we didn't see a sharp debate over the environment, foreign takeovers of our resource and steel industry and other key questions that will effect our lives for years to come. The NDP is following Jack Layton's line of casting the Tories and Liberals as being basically the same.

I had hoped that the NDP would distinguish themselves from the Tories by focusing on issues instead of the so called broken promises. Howard Hampton had the opportunity to set the issues that needed to be debated, unfortunately he didn't.

Posted October 10, 2007 08:13 PM

Fred Greidanus (Kitchener) wrote:

I'm very dissappointed with this election. I had high hopes for John Tory. On the issue of funding for faith based education, he was the only leader with integrity. The Liberals, and the majority of Ontarians, showed an amazing amoung of intolerance and ignorance on this issue. In the end, Mr. Tory (and my local PC candidate) did not have enough integrity to stand by their word.
Therefore, I voted GREEN.

Posted October 10, 2007 08:10 PM

Cory Stevenson (Prince_Edward_Island) wrote:

I am a university student here from PEI, and am hoping for a solid Liberal victory. After viewing all of the mainline platforms, it seems as if the only reliable team to vote for is the Liberal team under the leadership of Dalton. He has done the province well, more than I can say for the past PC government under Mike Harris.

Posted October 10, 2007 07:58 PM

Steve G (Thunder_Bay) wrote:

I'm an NDP supporter. Realistically, the best outcome I can expect is a Liberal minority being propped up by the NDP.

If the Liberals do get a majority mandate as is widely expected, I can at least sleep in comfort knowing that Ontario is in a better place now than it was four years ago after the mismanagement and intolerence espoused by Harris, Eves et al, and we can continue to look ahead to the future.

Posted October 10, 2007 07:20 PM

Annie H (North_York) wrote:

I believe the NDP is the party that should win the election in my opinion. This is beacuase i believe that having better public health care that is available to everyone is more important than having private health care for only the people who can afford it.

By supporting the private healthcare, only the people who are able to afford the private health care will recieve health care and those who can't will not.

This will create a greater gap between the poor and the rich which may affect Ontario since many people who are poor are uncared for. With the Ndp's plan to support public health care, the gap between the poor and the rich will lessen and will help the poor receive health care.

Posted October 10, 2007 07:13 PM

john kolb (kitchener) wrote:

a mandated election is new. interesting that the issues that were debated would become an issue. this province (this country) needs a forum to deal with the substantial. compromise is the best vehicle to effect the changes necessary. in this writers view, democracy, that is tempered with a 'minority situation' will best achieve the desired result.

Posted October 10, 2007 07:09 PM

Devin (Woodlawn_Ontario) wrote:

Brian,

Just so you know, you can vote without a voter's card. You need a few pieces of ID to do so, and since you're online, you can find out where you need to go through Elections Ontario. It's only 7 pm, so you still have time. If you don't vote, you don't have a right to complain about the government.

According to Mike, I'm a bigot. I understand the issues fine, I'm not an employee of the education system, and I'm against faith-based school funding--including the Catholic faith. I agree with Tory that the current system is unfair, but I think the solution is to only fund non-religious secular schools where the focus is education, not indoctrination and segregation. I want to see children of various backgrounds to grow up and learn together, not only their education, but from each other. If you don't want that, fine. But you get to pay for it separately.

Funny, but I don't think that makes me a bigot.

Posted October 10, 2007 07:02 PM

Chrissy (Ottawa) wrote:

Dear Charmaine (Aurora)

I am sorry to hear that your fellow students did not vote today but rest assured the election systems does a great job of ensuring all Ontarians can vote no matter where they are. Prior to the next election be sure that you and your friends contact the office of the party representative for your riding and they will walk you through all the options you have - they would certainly not want to lose the potential vote so they will explain it all to you.

Just to give you some basic insight - you can vote in an Ontario election if you are a resident of Ontario but find yourself going to school in say BC for example - so long as you remain an Ontario resident and don't become a BC resident before the election.

You can vote at advance polls, you can vote by mail and you can vote by proxy but you must make arrangements ahead of time.

So simply make certain that you and the other students don't procrastinate and take these steps ahead of time and your voices will be heard.

Posted October 10, 2007 07:01 PM

Ruth Bjorkman (Atikokan) wrote:

There are a few reasons why I chose to vote PC this year.

My primary reason was that the PC party is unitited and their goals are smart as well as achievable. They get the most criticism from media in comparison to other parties, but still they hold water. The Liberal's on the other hand are complete chaos. They could have potential if they were organized, but it seems they are caught up in pointing their fingers at PC's like John Tory, for example,who plans to give more equal religious funding rather than to single out the Catholics as the only right religious education.

The Liberals would be much more appealling if they would concentrate on finding ways to better Canada. It's amazing that a group of very intellegent people could not do a better champaigning job than what I have seen. If the Liberals win I believe it is only a reflection of loyal citizens who are afraid of change and are tollerant of a corrupt party.

Posted October 10, 2007 07:00 PM

Harry P. Thompson (DON_VALLEY_WEST) wrote:

The thought that the Liberals under McGunity could win again makes me nervous and sick. I joined the John Tory Campaign because I believe that McGunity is a liar, a fraud, and a cheat. Even during the last election, he knew that he could not keep his campaign promise and yet Ontario voted for him.

For four years he lied to all of us and yet there are some of your that will vote him in because you do not like one particular item on the PC plateform.

As far as I am concern, Ontario is showing its true colours. For those of you that are voting solely liberal based on Faith-based funding shame on you all. Is it same faith that you are against?

After all, I am a Catholic. My education was funded and the last time I checked being a Catholic means haveing FAITH. In my opinion most Ontarians that voting based on same faith schooling are doing so because what they hear is Muslim. If it was Jewish we would not be having this discussion.

At this point, I would rather have George Bush run the province of Ontario. Honestly, he couldn't do any worse than McGunity. And like George Bush we could scrutinize the first election but yet even with his record America still voted for him the second time around. The same holds true for McGunity. Ontario, you vote him and you are responsible for four more years of lies and zero results. I mean honestly, have things really improved or have you noticed any difference the past four years? For those of you who vote Liberial, welcome to George Bush Country!!!!!

Posted October 10, 2007 06:30 PM

R. (Kingston) wrote:

I agree that there was little substance in the election campaign.

I am, however, excited by the prospect of MMP. If it takes 51% of the vote to form a majority government, ther will be more incentive to delve into issues and offer plans for which a broad spectrum of people can vote.

If people are concerned about who the parties will vote onto party lists, they should join a political party and campaign for their preferred candidates. Afterall, in our current system it is only party members who choose the local candidates.

Posted October 10, 2007 06:20 PM

Charmaine (Aurora) wrote:

My main concern right now is all the university students who are unable to vote. For those who live on campus or who were at school all day and could not get home there is no polling station at the school that will accept their vote because they are not from the correct district.

For example, my friend who is from Mississauga was in St. Catharines at Brock and was turned away from the polling stations because he is not from St. Catharines. Other friends of mine were turned away at school today simply because they do not live in Toronto.
Is someone going to do something...

Posted October 10, 2007 06:20 PM

Nancy (Toronto) wrote:

I am beginning to wonder if only drivers will end up with the rights of citizens. I am 57, have never driven and have no license (never will have). I was able to use my voter's card and Canadian Passport with other documents showing address when I voted early at the Returning office. But,according to Ontario Today's phone in, people with valid passports were being refused. Passports do not show addresses. So, when is someone going to realize that requiring photo ID with addresses is going to disenfranchise people like me? When are they going to look at this issue? I am concerned that my citizenship will end up being useless within the "democratic" system.

Posted October 10, 2007 06:18 PM

john Carrick (Scarborough_Southwest) wrote:

50% of Ontario voters are below average in intelligence.

Most of them will join forces with the fat cat's who love false majorities to defeat MMP decisively tonight.

Unfortunately, it is true that we all get the government that only most of us deserve.

Posted October 10, 2007 06:18 PM

Nick R. (mississauga) wrote:

we will have two election systems this time. I will see.

Posted October 10, 2007 06:09 PM

Lauren (Toronto) wrote:

I have been offended by the rude, insulting and highly personal attacks made against certain candidates during this campaign. If I were running for school president, could I get away with calling my opponents liars and incompetents? If I were in the running for a promotion, would I be permitted to hurl horrible accusations and taunts at other contenders for the job? Of course not, because in our schools and workplaces and all other aspects of 'public life' we are bound to a code of respectful behaviour. And if we didn't abide by that code of behaviour, there would be consequences -- we could be expelled, or dismissed or sued for slander.

Why, then, do we tolerate the kind of ugly language and nasty name-calling that the leaders of the Progressive Conservative Party and the NDP in particular have been spouting at the front-runner, Premier Dalton McGuinty? I have gained new respect for the Premier for having resisted the temptation to stoop to such boorish behaviour. He may not always be charismatic and he may not have policies that please everyone, but despite the fact that he is in a free-for-all political arena, he conducts himself in a way that is always respectful and considerate, never ill-tempered or ill-mannered. He argues points of policy and sticks to the issues, rather than getting down and dirty on a personal level. He is a genuinely kind and thoughtful and compassionate person, the type of leader this province deserves and that we need more of in politics.

Others would do well to learn from his example.

Posted October 10, 2007 06:04 PM

Greg T (Hamilton) wrote:

This was a campaign of little substance. It is unfortunate that this campaign got sidetracked on the foolish attempt by Mr. Tory to segregate our children into faith based institutions. It is not up to the tax payer to fund religious education, be it Muslim, Jewish or Catholic. Apparently the Greens are the only ones sensible enough to acknowledge this reality. Another issue that should have come up is Bill 52, a bill of the Liberal government that will allow uncertified teachers, outside of the school system, to grant up to eight credits to secondary school students. This will seriously water down the quality of education our students are getting. Where was the debate over this issue?

This campaign should have really focused on more pressing issues such as climage change and how it will impact our future economy, especially our agricultural industry. We should have also been discussing the nuclear power debate and the Liberal and Conservative plan to spend 40 billion dollars of tax payers money to build more nuclear power plants, when we are still paying off the last ones! Ontario has an energy crisis and many believe there are viable alternatives other than spending this exorbitant amount of our hard earned money. Where was the discussion?

It is apparent in this two party tyranny that little substantive discussion ever occurs and that the job of one of the big two is to discredit the other and sell enough 'perks' to gain your vote. It is for this very reason why there is such voter apathy and is exactly why electoral reform is required.

Posted October 10, 2007 05:46 PM

Tom Adshead (Kirkland_Lake_Ontario) wrote:

First off, in regard to the other comments posted here, people really should learn to spell before posting to forums like this. Of course, considering the comments that were submitted, it doesn't surprise me all that much.

To those people who made comments and admitted they haven't been voting, crawl back in your hole and don't come back out until after you decide you are part of the system beyond being a loud mouth.

The MMP issue; the only people who should be voting no for this, are those that think that every majority government since the inception of Ontario, regardless of party has done a wonderful job. A yes vote will forever stop parties from yanking the province in opposite directions on being elected at the cost of millions and sometimes billions of our tax dollars. It will force them to work together amongst all the parties that receive more then 3% of the vote.

As for the specific party you vote for, The major parties have all had their chance to show us their true colors, and each one of them have shown quite clearly that they don't care what promises they make or who they hurt as long as they and their friends are taken care of.

You don't keep repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results.

Vote for a party that hasn't been in power yet and shown that they are a bunch of crooks and self serving shills.

Tom

Posted October 10, 2007 05:22 PM

Paul (Ajax_ON) wrote:

For the first time in a long time I have been impressed with a leader of one of Ontario's political parties.

John Tory seems to have a very pragmatic and sensible approach to issues (minus his position on faith-based schools).

However what scares me is all of the ex-Mike Harris neo-conservatives that are all around him in his party.

If he can cave to them on the schools issue, will he cave to their desires on other more important issues.

That is what is keeping me from voting for the Progessive Conservatives this time around.

Posted October 10, 2007 05:16 PM

JA (Toronto) wrote:

This election has been an utter farce. I have nothing but scorn right now for most media outlets in their absolutely dismal performance in providing thoughtful, critical journalism. The only reason that faith-based schooling became the central issue is because the media refused to let it go.

This province has seen its manufacturing sector crumble, a gap between rich and poor that continues to gape wider and wider, and we are on the verge of an energy/ecological disaster. Not to mention, the entire referendum was virtually ignored, except for uninformed bouts of fear-mongering from the usual suspects such as the Toronto Star.

And the only thing that CBC, CTV and every other media outlet in this province could talk about was faith-based schools? Are you kidding? What about the fact that McGuinty and Tory have both pledge to build nuclear power plants, and that every electricity ratepayer in Ontario is STILL paying a debt-retirement charge accumulated from the LAST power plants we built. Never mind that in the decades since nuclear power has come to dominate in Ontario, there is still NO WHERE TO PUT THE WASTE.

WAKE UP ONTARIO.

The organizprevented Green Party Leader Frank De Jonge from participating in the debate. It has become abundantly clear who it is in this province who decides policy.

Posted October 10, 2007 04:21 PM

Mike (Peterborough) wrote:

If you are against founding private faith based schools, you belong to one of two groups. You are either very ignorant of the issue and don't fully understand how funding would actually be applied, or you are just a bigot.

Currently, about 58,000 students attend faith based schools. These children are taught whatever the schools want to teach. If the province provided funding for these schools, the schools would have to teach an approved curriculum.

Now I guess there really is a third group that may be opposed this. And that would be employees of the current education system. After all, if the government gave you an option to chose another system, would you chose the current public school system? I am certain they are afraid of the number of students that would leave the public schools in search of a better education.

Posted October 10, 2007 04:19 PM

Natalia Case (mississauga) wrote:

I'm looking for new leadership in Ontario because i do not believe that the liberals have made an impact and i do believe that John Tory is a smart guy with big business experience and some great ideas.

I'm hoping he addresses the health tax (which has generated surplus for the liberals - so is obviously just a money grab that they werent properly allocating to anything). and i hope he cuts the budgets of the provincial departments that wasted their budgets (as shown in the auditor generals report).

Speaking to a few friends this weekend - they are all liberals in toronto that are voting for John Tory this time because of his background and because he is well spoken and has plans for Ontario. so i'm betting that we will have a surprise Tory minority and not because people are voting CONSERVATIVE. they are voting for John Tory.

Posted October 10, 2007 04:03 PM

Christine Holz (Mississauga) wrote:

Once the issue was raised, it became all about faith based school funding. Only Green is solidly against.

I voted against faith based schools as this has the potential to turn Ontario into a powderkeg in 20 years or less. Can you imagine religious clashes/riots in Toronto?

Unfortunately, most religions are not inclusive- theirs is the only path to heaven. Add suspicion and distrust of outsiders from lack of exposure, mixed with missionary zeal and we have a recipe that can tear our country apart.

Posted October 10, 2007 03:14 PM

Brian Lansdowne (PEC_Ontario) wrote:

For the last two Ontario Elections I have not voted. Mainly because I have never received a voters card. I also wonder if other people never receive there voters card . I also make note that only about 30 - 40 % of voters turn out for any Ontario election over the last two Ontario.
And these voters actually elect the government that will run Ontario.

I also disagree with the new reform of the MMP . This MMP stinks with nepotisms . More MP's on the troth. I ask this question about people who want to be politicians, why are they all well to do businessmen or woman, or born into
the role of trying to be a politician ?

What ever happen to the working poor trying to run for office? Don't have the $ or business connections

Posted October 10, 2007 01:13 PM

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