Doctor shortage: A medical student studying abroad on working in Canada
- December 3, 2009 2:13 PM |
- By Your Voice
Submitted by Rebecca-Anne Hickey
There is certainly no shortage of articles in the news about the severe lack of doctors in Canada; general practitioners, specialists you name it, we're short of it.

As Canadians living in a 'small world' I'm sure all of us know, or at least know of somebody who does not have a GP. The Canadian Medical Association says one in ten Canadians do not have a family doctor and that GPs are desperately needed in Canada.
We have also all heard the stories from friends and family, or perhaps have even experienced ourselves the horrendous wait times that we all face for specialist appointments, medical imaging scans, and even more shockingly, GP appointments.
As a medical student myself studying in the UK, hearing these stories really gets my blood boiling.
Let me explain why.
I am one of approximately 1500 Canadian students studying medicine abroad.
I do not enjoy being so far from home. The fact is that even being a qualified candidate, getting into a Canadian medical school is almost pure luck. I am simply one qualified candidate drowning in a pool of far too many brilliant students competing for far too few places. To avoid waiting out four years of an undergraduate program to find out if I might get into medical school in Canada against the odds, I applied to the UK where once you are accepted as an undergraduate medical student, you are guaranteed a place in a graduate medical program providing you study like crazy.
When I got in, it was a sigh of relief and a jump for joy I would actually get to fulfill my dream of helping people! At a high cost, of course and I am speaking both financially (as my parents make ever so subtle hints about,) and otherwise.
I knew that after completing my UK degree, I would have many hurdles to jump over. For one, it will be difficult to secure a residency position in Canada as I will find myself in the same pool as all 'international graduates' competing for very few available residency positions. The fact that I hold a Canadian passport, was born and raised in Canada, will mean nothing. This is where my frustrations really lie. I have financed my education in a different country without the support of Canadian tax dollars that would have gone towards my education at home.
Now, when I choose to come back to Canada to practice, I will find that the system has turned its back on me. I am essentially a 'free' Canadian doctor. Forgive me for being blunt or seemingly self-righteous, but I believe Canada should be embracing me with open arms and wanting me to come back home where the need is so dire. Instead, I am pushed away or let me re-phrase, I am pushed south.
I can write the U.S. medical licensing exam, and find myself a residency position in the States amongst the many positions available there. I will find much less resistance in this route, and dare I say a higher pay cheque. I may even be welcome in Canada after I have a specialty but by then I may be settled in the U.S.
As a proud Canadian who misses her Toronto Maple Leafs and Tim Horton's Timbits (among other things), I do honestly want nothing more than to come back home to practice medicine. It is a huge fault in the system that I, and the other 1500 Canadians studying abroad at recognized medical schools, should be burdened with such unnecessary resistance.
I hope that the Canadian government can see this flaw in all its importance. During the last election, Stephen Harper promised a figure of $5 million to be used to encourage Canadian doctors practicing abroad to return to Canada. At the time this was published, the number of Canadians over the age of 12 without a general practitioner was 4.1 million. That's spending roughly a loonie per person without a GP!
I should hope in a country like Canada where our health care system is looked up upon by the rest of the world that my access to primary health care should be worth more than a good cup of coffee. Four million Canadians is a lot, especially considering the fact that there are many Canadians (myself included!!!) who have a baby boomer GP who will inevitably be retiring soon. This is a statistic that is only likely to get worse if nothing is done about it now.
As for my future, I can only hope that when it comes my turn to take the Hippocratic oath that things will have changed and I will find myself as a doctor in Canada, as one small contribution to the demand. It is not clear to me yet in reading the recent announcement about making it easier for internationally trained professionals to enter Canada, if Canadians trained abroad will be given any preference.
The kinks in the system need to be, for lack of a better term, dissected out. Radically. My heart aches to hear the story of the average person in the Maritimes, going to the emergency department at their local hospital to get their insulin prescription for their diabetes refilled because they have no GP to go to.
There is no other way to put it this is simply unacceptable, and I know that all of this silliness needs to change. Firstly, there needs to be more spaces made available in Canadian medical schools so that a greater number of qualified candidates can be educated at home. Secondly, something needs to be done about the 1500 Canadians who are fortunate enough to be able to afford to study abroad to come back home. Thirdly, we also need to fix the 'doctors driving taxis' problem. Just the thought of having capable and willing doctors living in the country who aren't seeing patients is unbelievable. Fourthly, Lets face it hockey fans in the states just aren't the same as the hockey fans in Canada.
Please, Canada, I beg you don't make me go down south.
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Comments (28)
If you're complaining about lack of unmatched GP residencies in Canada, you need to get your facts straight. E.g.,
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/170/9/1380
There are unmatched GP residencies in Canada even after the second round. What are you complaining about?
Oh, maybe you mean competition for the specialties (i.e. a $100k+ GP salary with guaranteed employment for the duration of your career isn't enough for you). I think you'll find similar issues in the U.S. If you're really that greedy, good riddance.
The MD degree is a ticket to ultra secure employment, is nothing less than reasonably well-paid, and can provide a pleasing lifestyle.
Additionally there is some status conferred on the holder of the MD which can provide a variety of benefits including everything from better treatment by others to better health. As such it will be a sought after credential and the medical schools will be oversubscribed even if they boost enrollment.
I do not equate any specific student/person getting what they want for a career/lifestyle with achieving adequate health care for Canadians. In fact the best thing might be that we reduce medical school enrollment in Canada and open some affiliate schools in the Philippines that Canada controls.
The students can do their rotations and residency in Canada and our costs will be a fraction of boosting enrollment in Canadian medical schools. Canadians who want the MD degree could go to the Philippines. Stop whining about having to go to the U.S. and feel lucky about being qualified to get a residency there. The U.S. is an excellent place to work in the world of science/medicine/technology and quite frankly has a number of beautiful geographies with desirable climates. Additionally they attract the best scholars and practitioners for others to learn from.
Many recent Canadian MD graduates elect to complete at least some of their postgraduate studies in the U.S.
It is not "luck" that gets a candidate admitted to a medical school in Canada but their past performance. The "top" candidates are chosen based upon grades, MCAT results as well as an interview.
Quite simply, a Canadian medical school is not to blame for having chosen a student that has performed better than those that weren't admitted.
Canadian students, interns and residences learn medicine based upon the system that is available to Canadians. To learn medicine abroad in a different health care system which may have different health concerns [malaria / AIDS epidemic in Africa] or may have dramatically different level of technology, testing and resources [the ordering and interpreting of tests and treatment options is dramatically different depending upon the healthcare system] available should be a cause to ensure that not only is the educational institution abroad competent and qualified to be teaching medicine but that which it is teaching is relevant to Canadian patients.
Further, residence and nationality have little if nothing to do with the qualification and competence of a medical professional nor the school abroad that medical professional went to.
Often, as we see in the United States, Europe and elsewhere, medical schools abroad candidates are admitted on their ability to pay large tuitions rather than a performance based admission used by Canadian schools.
There are a limited privileged few that have the financial wherewithal to pay for, or to be cynical, buy their medical degree abroad, but let's not anoint this privileged few canadian students studying medicine abroad as saints just yet.
International medical graduates are those that couldn't make the grade to get into a Canadian medical school, and were financially privileged enough to pay for a degree elsewhere.
Canadian citizen or otherwise, particularly as we have public health care it is incumbent upon our government to ensure that the international medical graduates are competent and qualified with relevant training no matter how unfair those who can't perform to the high level required of our Canadian medical graduates consider it to be.
A friend just went through this very hassle. Had to spend 2 years in the USA to then be offered one of two spots in Canada. Utter freaking baloney. The Canadian Medical Association has a strangle hold on the supply of doctors. Keep supply low = big pay cheques. Basic micro-economics.
If the government deregulated the medical INDUSTRY like they did air travel, we would not have to drop public medicine. The costs would go down and we'd have doctors. This lady could get into Canada no problem.
I know people (doctors mostly) will rant about standards and safety, but West Jet fans, your planes are safe DESPITE deregulation.
and don't get me started on Canadian banking!!!
I'm not so sure that Canada needs more medical doctors.
Perhaps Canada needs more medical doctors in Atlantic provinces and rural areas. But this is a problem of health-care distribution rather than an absolute shortage of doctors.
The problem is that most doctors prefer to live and work in big Canadian cities. And many of them aren't willing to go and work in rural, sparsely populated areas.
This mal-distribution of health-care is probably the result of the fact that unlike other health-care professionals, doctors don't have to be employees of any organization. They can set up their own practices and be self-employed. Which allows them to work wherever they want and not necessarily where they are needed most.
The government and the public have little control over the distribution of health-care, even though they are paying for it. And that's the problem.
Like all people, doctors naturally make choices in their own personal best interests. Which aren't exactly the same as the interests of the public. And that's why the interests of the public aren't being served well.
And the solution to this problem can't be in training more doctors. The solution has to be in re-organization of the health-care system so that doctors are treated the same way as all other health-professionals are treated.
The public who pays should be the one to make the decisions about health-care distribution and not the doctors who are getting paid. This is just common sense.
While Harper whines about not having enough doctors in Canada - so that he can finally put an end to medicare - he makes sure that very few qualified individuals ever make it into Canadian medical schools because there are just not enough spots in medical schools in Canada.
Shame on Mr. Harper! At a certain point, it will become clear even to Mr. Harper, that having fewer doctors to treat patients will mean having more and sicker patients who will be more expensive to treat in the long run.
But then that is the point of the Conservative exercise, gut medicare. However, medicare is the sacred cow of Canadian governance and thankfully Canadians will not tolerate the medicare system being gutted.
A campaign focused on creating more spots in medical schools to create more Canadian doctors, would be a winning party platform - Liberals are you listening?
As a medical resident working in Toronto, I have seen many Canadians attending medical school elsewhere return to gain experience as medical students on the teaching wards.
There are often vast differences in knowledge, clinical skills and interpersonal ability between those who are locally trained, and those 'qualified applicants' who are denied admission and pay to attend overseas.
We should not automatically grant residency positions and jobs as physicians to Canadians trained abroad - it is not simply a matter of luck.
The admissions processes select the best applicants, and others are left to enter for-profit schools that value your ability to pay tuition above all else. The fact that there is competition to return is a necessary and worthwhile thing.
The shortage for openings in medical school and positions for residency is driven by the unwillingness of the college of physicians and surgeons to change things. They fear the result of a adequate number of doctors will drive down the value we place on their skills.
There is something seriously wrong when there are bright students being turned away from med school when there is such a high demand for grads.
Perhaps med school should be free with the condition the new doctor practices in Canada for a period after graduating.
The problem is the closed-shop, medieval guild-like nature of the medical profession. The doctor shortage was the result of medical associations' efforts to reduce the number of med. school graduates, to keep the supply of doctors restricted and ensure a sellers'-market for their services.
Really, we should have never tolerated the notion of 'self-regulating' bodies, responsible for licensing. The medical associations--and ALL 'professional associations'--should be abolished and the government undertake licencing of doctors.
Medical school should be rationalised as well--a four-year programme. Contrary to what the Fraser Institute says, you can't have a 'free market' in medicine, if a closed-shop union runs the show.
You played the game. You knew you had ridiculously better odds going overseas...and would require much much less university (and probably also cost because of that). AND YOU KNEW AT THE OUTSET YOU PROBABLY COULDN'T PRACTICE IN CANADA!
To now complain about it is absurd self-interested whining and has nothing to do with improving Canada's healthcare system.
Yes we need to fix our healthcare system and have more GPs. But we don't need to fix it by letting in whiny undergraduates who chose to go to the UK because they couldn't compete with Canadian kids and their parents could afford to work around it.
This is not entirely accurate. Dr. Hickey states "Now, when I choose to come back to Canada to practice, I will find that the system has turned its back on me."
However, she is NOT ready to come back to Canada to practice. She must first complete a residency program, at significant cost to the state/province that provides the residency training. In Canada, it is estimated that it costs between $300K and $500K to train a graduate into a specialist who is qualified to practice.
Canada offers approximately two hundred of these residency training positions each year to international medical graduates such as Dr. Hickey, but competition is fierce, and only the best and brightest are accepted.
Dr. Hickey would like to see the number of these training positiosn increased, and points out that "During the last election, Stephen Harper promised a figure of $5 million to be used to encourage Canadian doctors practicing abroad to return to Canada."
The key phrase is "practicing abroad". This does not include Dr. Hickey, as she is not qualified to practice anywhere yet. Given that relatively small sum ear-marked for the endevour, it is far more cost-efficient to recruit fully-trained Canadian doctors back from the US. It is also far more time-efficient, since the recruited physician is ready to begin practice immediately - unlike Dr. Hickey, who still requires two to five years of training.
This is an important cautionary tale to all Canadian students who would go abroad for medical school. It is important to be aware of the limitations of your decision before you go, and willing to accept the difficulties that this path will present on your journey home.
She's not a "'free' Canadian doctor!"
She wants a residency position in Canada. That makes her very, very expensive.
There are some very biased comments in here. Directly insulting this young lady is not productive and weakens your arguments.
Keep it courteous and people will listen!
As a UK medical student I feel that implying UK trained sudents, and by extension international students, are substandard in comparison to Candian grads is an extremely naive statement.
The UK has amongst the best medical schools in the world and to imply that Canadian's qualified from there are inferior is cruel. The NHS is a far superior health system and Canadians coming here will get faster treatment than locals will in Canada.
Many of you have completely missed the point to this article. This lady is not whinning. She is illustrating the fact that the Canadian healthcare system is riddled with problems and that increasing the ease for which patriotic Canadians can transfer back to Canada will improve the outlook of Candian healthcare!
I imagine that if you are in a position to critisize this foreign graduate for wanting to come back home and help your problem you won't mind waiting 9 months to get on an 18 month waiting list to see your GP for that cold.
Yes it IS expensive to train a resident - but if we have a shortage of doctors, why isn't more money put into this so that we CAN afford to train extra residents, and who better than Canadians trained at recognized schools overseas who want to come back to Canada to practice? Would rather they came here than go to the States, or stayed in the UK... doesn't help us out very much. I think many people are missing her point, that, or they didn't actually read the article - she is getting at a lack of doctors in Canada and suggesting solutions... I wouldn't call that 'whiny'
Since 2000, medical student enrollment (and subsequent residency positions) have been incresed by almost 50%. That's a huge increase.
To respond to a previous poster's question: "Who better than Canadians trained at recognized schools overseas who want to come back to Canada to practice?"
Canadians trained at Canadian schools who want to stay in Canada to practice. That's who's better.
There is no shortage of medical students, either in Canada or abroad. If there were money for more residency positions, there would be no difficulty filling them with Canadian med school grads.
The author's solution is a solution for her own lack of planning.
Nonsense. The author bypassed the normal route of entry of medical school in Canada by not even attempting a four-year undergraduate degree: in her words, "to avoid waiting out four years of an undergraduate program to find out if I might get into medical school in Canada against the odds".
This is simply galling, not only to current Canadian med students, but also to the 100% of applicants who completed at least two years (and usually four) of university prior to getting in. It is further insulting to the many applicants who applied multiple times; they were willing to put in the time and work, unlike this person, who evidently has access to significant financial resources.
Even worse, she has the temerity to suggest that she ought to be entitled to a residency spot by virtue of her citizenship. For someone who never even applied to a Canadian medical school, her comments ring false and thoroughly self-interested.
The "shortage" does exist, but it is absolutely not "dire" by any reasonable measure. Getting in to medical school is not "pure luck" - strong marks, a decent MCAT result, solid reference letters, and some degree of extracurricular involvement are necessities. The rest depends on the interview.
Now, it's true that some applicants just fall slightly short and don't make it in the first or even second or third time. That's predictable in an imperfect system with a fair degree of competition, but such applicants do tend to get in eventually.
(Disclaimer: I am a current medical student at a Canadian school. I got in on the first try, but I'd say I did my research and prepared appropriately. Had I not gotten in, though, I'd have tried again. At no point would I suggest that government policy be designed to suit my own career ideas or vanity.)
The lack of admission transparency has been a problem here and definitely in Canada schools for a long time...In 1976 I was on the receiving end of having been denied admittance to a Canadian law school, even though I was a Canadian citizen, chose to pay for an undergrad degree in Canada, and having lived more than half my life at that time put in Canada.
I was at the same level, I was told by an admissions counselor at Dal, as a student applicant from Italy...my advice to people such as our writer above is to take a good look around in your travels...you might just like what you see...nobody is gonna watch out for yourself other than you...D
Perhaps you should've actually worked hard for a four year undergraduate degree and then applied to medical school like the rest of us. I'm sorry the system doesn't suit your needs, but a four year degree before medical school is how it works in North America and if you're too lazy to do it, you don't deserve a spot in the US or Canada. Stay in the UK where you belong.
Some of the comments, although a bit harsh, raise some good points, but fail to address the main issue.
Did she chose to go overseas knowing that it would be tough to come back: yes.
Is it difficult to get into medical school in Canada: yes.
Does this mean that people that do not get into medical schools in Canda aren't smart enough to be doctors: No.
Is she owed a residency spot because she paid for her own education: no
Should Canadians who fund their own education overseas at reputable schools in the UK and Australia have priority over non-Canadians trained abroad : YES!
Why?
Because they're freaking Canadian citizens!
That being said, if you want to be a rural GP in Northern Ontario, you will have no difficulty getting into that residency program. The only issue is going back to certain provinces, such as BC, and trying to specialize in something other than family medicine. That's when it gets tough for Canadians who want to return home, as there are a limited number or no spots for certain specialties.
But Canada needs to do something to increase the number of trained doctors in the country. We are simply not producing enough doctors at home so allowing Canadians who have trained abroad to come home (provided they pass all the required CMB exams and they go to a reputable school) is essential to keeping the health care system going.
I am currently studying medicine in Australia. In South Australia, the state in where I am studying, there is a population of about 1.5million. Between two universities they have about 250 medical school spots and more than enough residency positions for all those medical school graduates. BC, which has a population of around 4 million, is supplied by the same number of medical school spots, despite serving almost 3 times the population! This is also why very qualified students are being forced to study abroad, not enough medical school spots for the population.
Both provincial and federal governments need address this issue. In the meantime, Canada should be thankful that some students are funding their own education with the desire to return home to practice. Should they be considered for residency spots on the same level as Canadians graduating from Canadian schools? Probably not, but they sure as hell should be considered ahead of a non-citizen.
This is not about Dr. Hickey. Honestly, she will benefit wherever she goes. It's our country that's losing out from the brain drain that occurs when she and many like her take their expertise elsewhere.
Unlike the author, I am one of the "lucky" medical students here in Canada who secured a spot with merit.
The author of the article sounds very angry. I think the anger is misdirected somewhat. She should be angry at herself for having made a decision to study abroad.
The author's point is lost in her emotional accusations and obvious attempts to pull at the heart strings of hockey fans and Tim Horton's coffee drinkers. The author should base her opinion piece more soundly on fact than emotional pleas... this is how medical literature is published.
It is true that there is a shortage of physicians; however, there is also a serious problem of human resource distribution. If the author's plan is to return to Canada so that she can practice in a major metropolitan area then she is doing very little for the current physician shortage.
To the author: you have not made any friends with your future Canadian colleagues by describing the admission process into Canadian medical schools as a luck of the draw. Unlike you, I earned my spot.
Unlike the author, I am one of the "lucky" medical students here in Canada who secured a spot with merit.
The author of the article sounds very angry. I think the anger is misdirected somewhat. She should be angry at herself for having made a decision to study abroad.
The author's point is lost in her emotional accusations and obvious attempts to pull at the heart strings of hockey fans and Tim Horton's coffee drinkers. The author should base her opinion piece more soundly on fact than emotional pleas... this is how medical literature is published.
It is true that there is a shortage of physicians; however, there is also a serious problem of human resource distribution. If the author's plan is to return to Canada so that she can practice in a major metropolitan area then she is doing very little for the current physician shortage.
To the author: you have not made any friends with your future Canadian colleagues by describing the admission process into Canadian medical schools as a luck of the draw. Unlike you, I earned my spot.
I am a medical student in a Canadian University, who was accepted following my first application, to the only school I applied to.
I have a few problems with your article. You've indicated that you would have been, had you stayed in Canada, "simply one qualified candidate drowning in a pool of far too many brilliant students competing for far too few places."
Yes, there is an incredibly intense application process, where there are many, many qualified candidates. Yes, I have seen people who deserve to get in be rejected because the demand is far too high for the supply. But you were never a qualified candidate drowning in the pool of applicants. You never even got your feet wet.
In my first year, if I asked anyone in my degree what they wanted to do, they would indicate that they wanted to go into medicine. By my 3rd year, that number had dropped by about 60 percent. The realities of University had set in for them; getting great marks in high school does not translate into getting great marks in University.
I've seen people who got into University with great high school marks flunk out after one year, because they never had the study skills required to succeed, or drank too much, or couldn't balance everything required of them. Do these people deserve to go to medical school in Canada? No. They didn't ever qualify. But, had they applied to go abroad to medical school, following high school, like you did, they easily could have gotten in.
Its entirely possible that, had you applied for a Canadian undergraduate degree, then applied to Canadian schools, you would have gotten in. Its also entirely possible (and more likely given the number of people who dropped out of the running early in their degrees) that you would have given up following a couple of years of undergraduate first.
I think that you are most definitely entitled to come back to Canada for your Residency training, if you are accepted from the pool of international students. You are a Canadian citizen, but you chose not to jump through Canadian hoops, so you now have to deal with the choices you have made.
I agree that the negative and insulting comments directed at Ms. Hickey are inappropriate and unproductive. Sadly, the institutions of our society, including that of medicine which I am a part of, are rarely open to any criticism of any kind. Having said this, there are complexities around the issue of our medical system that cannot be easily summarized as so many often try to do. This will be a lengthy post, so bare with me.
I am a Canadian Citizen living in this country since 1987, when I started undergraduate post-secondary education. I, rightfully, did not get into medicine after my first few tries, partly because I was young and foolish in my first year of University and the poor grades I got were difficult to recover from, and partly because I was a recent immigrant without enough experience in this society to be able to fully grasp the issues of the day, and hence did not perform well in the few interviews I got.
After completing a Master’s in Physiology and doing research for a year after my Master’s, I tried again. This time I took every aspect of the process much more seriously (from studying my butt off for the MCAT, to spending weeks preparing my essays and other non-academic aspects of the application process, to preparing for interviews) and I got into several schools and chose Queen’s University. I am now a GP-Anesthetist living in Toronto, but practicing primarily in several small, rural communities in Ontario as a locum physician.
There are a good number of issues that I’d like to address. First, I want to clarify a common misconception. The number of training spots for medical school and residency is NOT controlled by the Canadian Medical Association or the College of Physicians and Surgeons.
Although there are some practices by some of the medical regulatory bodies in Canada (I won’t even get into the complexities of the various stakeholders in medical education and licensing in Canada, just take my word that it’s ridiculously complex) that leave a lot to be desired, the medical school and residency positions are controlled by the provincial governments only.
For instance, in Ontario, the government reduced medical school positions in the early 1990’s by nearly 100 spots with the absurd idea that having fewer doctors would stop the ever increasing cost of medicare. The logic was: fewer doctors, fewer patients seen, fewer tests ordered, fewer nurses needed, etc, etc. Residency spots were reduced by an equivalent number.
This trend only started to be reversed earlier in this decade. We have about 1000 fewer doctors in Ontario because of that little stunt alone. Similarly, residency spots are controlled by the government. Of course, there is a limit to how many can be trained. But that limit is not the bottle neck; government funding is.
For instance, there are a huge number of “off-shore” residents being trained currently in Ontario. These are mainly from Saudi Arabia and medical schools like them because not only their salaries are paid by their home country; their country actually pays the medical schools a hefty price per year for training them.
Thus, if the provincial government wanted to increase residency spots in some specialties, all they would have to do is tell the medical schools that they are no longer allowed to take off-shore residents, and that the government would pay an equivalent amount in order for more Canadian applicants to be trained (and that could include those graduating from non-canadian med schools that demonstrate an appropriate degree of competence).
Therefore, it is far too simplistic to blame the apparent physician shortage on the doctors’ “guilds” and us controlling the supply (and physicians are NOT the only group that are in short supply). Although I can’t undertake a full debate here about my understanding of the various issues that have led to the shortage of physicians, I believe that there are many issues apart from the number of medical school\residency spots, including:
1. An aging population that needs more medical services, while doctors are also aging (so more and more are retiring). So, we have increased demand and reduced supply.
2. The huge increase in female physicians over the past few decades to about 50% of new graduates. This is NOT a criticism, but just a statement of fact because females often work fewer hours or part-time, take maternity leave, and have a higher incidence of disability leave (as evidenced by higher disability insurance rates). So that again means reduced supply.
3. Lack of any appropriate public policy to encourage appropriate use of the healthcare system, which leads to much abuse and waste.
4. In line with #3, the lack of sufficient emphasis on health education, health promotion, and preventative health initiatives.
5. The successful manipulation of societal perceptions and the healthcare system by for-profit entities (pharmaceutical and medical device companies among others) leading to creation of a “need” for health services where there may have been none previously.
The second issue I’d like to address is the North American system of expecting a minimum of 3-4 years of undergraduate university education prior to going to medical school. Many European countries and Australia accept students directly into medical school from high school. Of course, medical school is longer there to compensate, but still ends up taking less time than in Canada or the US. Although I could say that only some of the vast amount of knowledge of medical sciences I had prior to going to medical school was directly helpful, the overall life experiences that I gained in my two degrees was certainly extremely valuable in terms of preparing me for becoming a well-rounded physician. It is difficult to put a price on that.
Do we just want physicians in Canada that are good mechanics of the body, having learned what knowledge they need about the “machine” in medical school (either here or abroad), or do we want to move our healthcare system towards truly treating patients as beings whose physical and mental health involves much more than addressing the machine?
Although I have to say that I am overall dismayed that our profession has much more progress to make in terms of bringing together the science, art, and spirituality of healing, it is much less likely that any progress could be made in this regard if more and more of our graduates have not even been through our training system. In my opinion, medical training, particularly during early years in medical school, has a lasting effect on the practitioner’s view of healing and their future practice style.
And having candidates that have had several years of life experience (whether through previous university education or by other means) would be beneficial compared to just accepting students coming out of high school as many other countries do. Indeed, some medical schools in Canada, such as McMaster University, do accept mature candidates with valuable experiences and a decent academic score, even if there are other candidates that scored better on academics alone.
The medical admission system in many other countries relies on grades only, and this includes first world countries (such as France) as well as many developing countries. Therefore, although I am sure that the quality of medical knowledge of medical graduates in many other countries is probably as good or better than that of Canadian graduates, medical knowledge in only one part of producing a good physician for the 21st century and having local graduates gives us more control on what type of physicians we wish to produce.
The third point I’m going to address is the suggestion by Ms. Hickey and others that the fact that she was born and raised in Canada should give her precedence over other IMG applicants. I would point out that IMG applicants, at least in Ontario, are usually Canadian Citizens as well. Most are immigrants who have become citizens by the time they jump through all the hoops needed prior to being able to apply for residency spots in Canada.
As far as I understood, there is only one type of Canadian Citizen with equal rights to any other Citizen. Considering the incredible sacrifices people have to make to come to this country as immigrants, and the fact that Canada actively recruits immigrants from around the world as a long-standing policy, I do not agree that a Canadian born and raised here should expect to get precedence over those who are Citizens by immigration.
Remember that anyone who grew up in Canada already has a huge advantage over any immigrant because of language issues and a deeper understanding of the culture, which goes a long way when it comes to preparing admission documents and performing well in interviews.
So, Ms. Hickey, if you come back to Canada and jump through the hoops like other IMGs, you will be able to apply to residency positions and should have no trouble getting one, especially if you will be content with a family medicine position (although there are also many specialty spots available to IMG applicants).
The very last issue I would like to address is the suggestion by someone that just because “the public pays” they should be able to dictate to physicians where we live and work. As a physician who, proudly, provides services to underserviced communities despite not living in one, I still find this statement insulting and infuriating. Physicians are one of the most highly trained and most talented groups in our society.
I will, without shame, assert that no other profession in society makes sacrifices that come even close to ours in training as well as actual practice. The number one thing that has gone into producing me as a physician was not the money spent on my education, but my own abilities and an incredible amount of hard work and perseverance. I will be damned if anyone is going to try and dictate anything to me that I do not choose. Mike Harris tried that, and failed miserably.
This is a free, democratic, and fair society. People choose all kinds of things including where to live. That includes those living in areas that are medically underserviced. Why should a physician lose the right to make choices just because others have made their choice to live somewhere lacking in medical services? Would you force mechanics in society to move to northern Ontario or to Nunavut if there is a mechanic shortage there?
Come to think of it, some of the small towns I go to could really use some nice restaurants with good ethnic food. Perhaps we should force some of the many restaurant owners in Toronto to move there. Yes, these analogies probably sound absurd, but no more so to me than the suggestion that the government try and force onto me my location. What then would be the difference between us and a country like China that would do exactly that if needed?
To suggest that the “public paying” allows us to decide as a society to take away the rights of a group of professionals is ridiculous. After all, it is always the public that pays, whether through taxes or not. If there are doctors working and living in big cities, it’s because there’s still a demand for their services.
If you want more of them to go to more underserviced areas, you do it through incentives, not by forcing them (which you can’t anyway, because worse comes to worse, they’ll just go elsewhere, as happened during Mike Harris’ rule in Ontario). Use the carrot, not the stick.
Which, by the way, the government in Ontario has been doing over the last several years and there have been slowly some improvements in drawing physicians to rural areas. However, it will take much more time. You can’t address a problem created over decades in just years, regardless of how good a policy you have.
I could not do reasoning on a lot of things in Canada since my immigration. One of those is; you need to make an appointment to see your family doctor (FD) at least couple of weeks before. It means you can sustain with your physical problems for that waiting time, otherwise it is an emergency.
Then you see the doctor, and get reffered to any specialist if the case needs more detailed attention. With my limited knowledge, most of the FDs are doing that. The regulating body for the doctors are working hard and allowing a little number of doctors for practice, which makes the peole to suffer more.
This suffering includes mental agony besides the physical one. If any doctor with foreign credentials can meet the requirements then s/he should be allowed to do practice. Is it that easy to study medicine in UK, USA, Australia, Germany....etc.
Then people would have died in those countries for improper treatment. But people from Canada are going to India for treatment, and this makes the existing treatment system more complicated when those patients are returning home.
If the standard is fused with greed then ultimately people would suffer. One day these doctors will have to rely on other doctors.
Quoted for truth:
"You are a Canadian citizen, but you chose not to jump through Canadian hoops, so you now have to deal with the choices you have made."
1-When your GP will retire an you will remain doctorless, let's see who will be denying the doctor shortage.
2-So according to all you proud Canadians, the American, Irish, British, German, French, Australian medical systems are inferior to Canadian standards? I would suggest you do more research before stating inaccurate facts. Or is it because in those countries people don't suffer from the same diseases we do.
I could see how one reader could envisage thousands of people suffering from tropical diseases in Paris or New York. I guess when they introduce X-Rays and insulin to Dublin and Berlin things will get to canadian standards.
3-Admission to foreign medical schools is also merit based. They have a reputation to maintain and they more then anybody want to produce good doctors.
Furthermore, if 1500 Canadians can pay thee schools, it is because med student loans are not hard to obtain as banks know these professionals will be able to repay them faster then anybody else will.
Fascinating comments.
It is true that we have too few med school seats. Nothing is really gonna be done about it though, as there is no political will. So, for the meantime, people will put their lives on hold, but even more will move elsewhere for their training.
I have personally been accepted to a few US schools. I'm waiting for a few more rejections from Canadian schools before I go to the bank, get a line of credit, and start the next chapter of my life. I am planning on going the US route since graduates of LCME accredited schools (Canadian AND American med schools) are able to enter the 1st iteration of the Canadian Match. This is not true for Australian/UK/Scotland/Ireland/etc.
It's really interesting though-at all of my interviews last year, I met multiple Canadians. At each and every med school. Some were even from my school. It was quite amazing and eyeopening.
One other interesting fact; it seems that the average Canadian school 'reject' turns out to be an above average US applicant and average/above average matriculant. Just some food for thought.