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The clown costume fits .
Those activists really are clowns.

- agw is a hoax
- socialism will not help the worlds poor , socialism just makes everyone equally poor
- global socialist governance will not clean up the environment

Well written Daniel. It seems as though our conservative government is blind to that which they don't understand (or rather, refuse to understand). Hopefully other nations will lead so forcefully into a just and healthy future that ours will be forced to follow.

And I look to our provinces, territories, and municipalities for real hope!

Right on Marty. The same small group of clowns and anarchists that seem to attend all the international conferences don't realize that they are seen as just that, clowns and vandals.

Serious people who are forced to take responsible positions on international agreements will not be influenced by these idiots.

In fact the high costs of security at the conference venues and the wasted investments in travel costs incurred by these characters are funds that might otherwise be spent on the very programs they purport to represent.

Take heart

The suits and shoes are having their day right now, but when it comes time to implement whatever deal they come up with, it will be the regular folks who will be doing the work.

So get out there and meet people - form linkages and partnerships between our north and some of those island states.

We have one thing on our side that all the suits and shoes do not - we are right & the earth will keep on showing that year after year.

If the suits can't get it right, the people will do it on their own.

@Andrew
Yellowknife

I have to ask you where in the world did you get the impression that the AGW agenda was in any way shape or form a poltical action that came from "the people " ?
Yes , there are many people that are gullible enough to buy into it , but to think it was spontaineous would be to show a complete disconect with reality.

I'll give you a quick little lesson in real politics .....

These mega political agendas come from the very most powerful "suits and shoes" in the world .
Naive would be an understatement.

Take heart

The suits and shoes are having their day right now, but when it comes time to implement whatever deal they come up with, it will be the regular folks who will be doing the work.

So get out there and meet people - form linkages and partnerships between our north and some of those island states.

We have one thing on our side that all the suits and shoes do not - we are right & the earth will keep on showing that year after year.

If the suits can't get it right, the people will do it on their own.

Did you ever notice that these lefty activists will do anything for attention ?

I mean , I would like to have a psychological assessment done of a person who feels the need to dress up like a clown and make a fool of themself for all the world to see .

I think that these people have such little meaning in their lives that they will try anything . I think they know deep down that their little agenda is empty and their entire ideology is completley discreditted , so that they are desperate to get what little attention they can get by any means possible .

Either that or they are just plain wacky and there is no sense in trying to figure them out.
Old lefties who won't let go of their discreditted ideology are just so pathetic.

We should feel sorry for them , but also we must keep them from doing more harm .

So flying to Copenhagen and dressing up like a dork will save the planet?
Who knew?

But I'm wide open to any idea that will save the planet.
All I need to know is how it will work.
How will shutting down the clean industry here and moving production to the much dirtier industry in China reduce pollution?

Since the whole idea behind Copenhagen is to reduce pollution, shouldn't those who support the treaty be able to explain how it will accomplish that?
That's not too much to ask, is it?
Hell, if you can explain it then maybe I'd support it.

Good that you are there Daniel. I think the people who desire an alternative to the Canadian Conservative party's values and strategies have made the effort to show that not all of Canada is as intentionally short-sighted because they are driven by corporate agenda's. Where is the democracy in that?

I notice that some of the men commenting here are letting you know that they are happy with the status quo and don't see the need for people to make the effort to influence these very important world wide discussions on what to do with a very real problem. Well, if I could, I would be right there marching beside you.

@Marty: Have you considered the underlying irony involved in presenting yourself as a clown to a delegation of "ring-leaders" that have been running "circus-like" governments?

@sambowsman: 'Clowns and vandals' seems a more suitable title for the individuals who have handed over a democratic government to corporate lobbyists. If our leaders were actually 'serious people who... take responsible positions on international agreements' would it not be their responsibility to include the public as well?

FYI: 'The high costs of security at the conference' are an inherent byproduct of insecure governments with preconceived notions of how the public will react to counter-productive policies. Plus the corporate lobbyists from the military industry need to sell their newest technology in riot gear so it can be displayed at events like these. Ever notice that the riot police at recent protests around the world have been uniformed with some pretty fancy looking gear? Well, somebody had to sell it to them...

@Jerry: Are not politicians people too? Do people not have power in a democracy? These 'mega political agendas' - are they not developed by ~people~ wearing suits and shoes? It would be naive to compartmentalize those in positions of power as being separate from the rest of the 'people' living in the world.

@Tim: I think I already mentioned it, but just in case... take a closer look at the ironic (not to mention theatrical) element of dressing like a clown. The psychology of a police officer continuously hitting an unarmed civilian with a billy club might prove to be a more worthwhile (and frightening) assessment.

Another detail you might want to look closer at is the fact that this photo is actually a young woman. Plus this article (posted on a youth blog) was penned by a 27 year old writer. So your perception of 'old lefties who won't let go of their discreditted ideology' being 'just so pathetic' is unfortunately completely invalid here.

These issues are being brought to our attention mostly by our youth (which shows that the only thing old and pathetic about politics these days is complacency, repression and an unwillingness to reform).

@James Finnerty
If you will examine the bulk of photos from the copenhagen circus , the majority of the clowns are in fact pathetic old leftists.

Also ,
In typical leftist fashion , I don't think you have a grip on what really comprises a "corporate interest"

A corporation is just a group of people who work together to produce products and services that people want to buy . A "coporate interest" is to produce these products as efficiently as possible.
These corporations might make cars or tvs or computers or agriculture and food products or coffee/ donut otulets or lumber to build houses or they may make bicycles etc. etc.
The consumer ( average people ) have the ultimate power over corporations since they can choose to buy the product or not . If the people don't buy the product , the corporation is powerless and it goes out of business.

Many people are employed by corporations so that they can maintain a good standard of living. Corporations are actually a very good thing and they are truly very democratic.

Governments , on the other hand , take money from the people and rule them , they make wars and they create laws that many don't agree with , but there is little that people can do since governments can use the force of law to have their way with people . Governments do not produce anything ,they consume wealth in a parasitic fashion , and they simply are there to rule and control .

Now it does get a bit tricky where there are many cases where big coporations co-opt governments to create cartels , but , that would fall under the heading of socialism or croney capitalism , rather than free market enterprise .
A couple of good examples of this is where big oil uses naive environmentalists to create laws that restrict nuclear power to the advantage of the oil companies . Or where big lumber uses environmental laws to squeeze out the smaller to medium sized lumber companies.

Anyway , a good way of looking at politics is to view government as the biggest exploitive corporate cartel possible and to be sure to keep government power in check , and that means to be very leary of these sorts of "environmental" mega power grabs . Because as we all should have learned by now , in the end , it is the very most powerful who write the laws to their own advantage .

@Dan

Keep reading the Ayn Rand.

I like the fact that you describe the very situation which plagues our governments today as and say "but that would be socialism or croney capitalism". We have croney capitalism running the world now, because corporations do what serves them, even if it is corrupt.

Even more awesome is the fact that you're singing the praises of corporations and the market, and then say "big oil (a corporation) uses naive environmentalists" two paragraphs later.

Does that sounds like someone you want doing business unchecked in an unregulated market? I don't. The reason we need governments and regulations is because corporations do unethical things.

enjoy the delusion.

@
James
Victoria

It is you who is dilusional.

If corporations "do unethical things" then all we need to do is to use our power and stop buying the products they make for us.

If governments do unethical things ( like conduct wars throughout the world ) then there is not alot we can do about it .

I would think that you might have learned that by now.
The idea is to keep government as small and powerless as possible . It would seem that you are are naively in favour of creating a vastly more powerful government.
"power corrupts"

What a wonderful sight it is to see that the Al Gore-ite Copenhagen conference for global taxation and violent control of our lives in the name of preventing climate change (winter to spring?) is collapsing. It's like a wonderful Christmas gift to what remains of freedom in the world.

Merry Christmas to all , and that includes the deluded eco-minions who knew not what they were wished for .