Copenhagen climate change summit
- December 7, 2009 11:59 AM |
- By Your Voice
For the next two weeks, four members of a Canadian Youth Delegation attending the UN climate change summit in Copenhagen will be blogging for CBC's Citizen Bytes. The youth are there to deliver the message that they won't let Canada, one of the world's biggest per-capita polluters, threaten the success of the negotiations. But they'll also be writing here on a daily basis about their behind-the-scenes experiences. Here are their first impressions of the Danish capital.
Daniel T'Seleie

Bio/About: Daniel is a K'asho Got'ine Dene from Fort Good Hope, N.W.T. Raised in Fort Good Hope and Yellowknife, he spent much of his young life on the land with his family. After graduating from high school, Daniel left the north to study mathematics and physics at Ontario's McMaster University. Over the years, Daniel has worked in the north as a labourer in a diamond mine, a photojournalist, a government policy officer and a math teacher. In 2008, Daniel started working at Ecology North, a small, non-profit NGO based in Yellowknife, where he helps Tlicho communities prepare climate change adaptation plans.
Before leaving Yellowknife, I packed my favourite plaid shirt. I didn't realize my northern look would stick out like a sore thumb in Copenhagen. The city is somewhat like Toronto. Everyone is well-dressed and ready for the office or the club, except the skyline is dominated by wind turbines instead of glass towers. In passing conversations the transit employees casually endorse non-violent direct action to push for progress at the negotiations (officially known as the 15th Conference of Parties, but we just call it "the COP.")
I hope all my surprises are this pleasant in the next two weeks.
Caroline Lee

Bio/About: Caroline hails from Fredericton, N.B., and did her undergrad at the University of Guelph. She is currently completing a master's degree at Vancouver's Simon Fraser University, where she is modelling global climate change policies. Last year she attended the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Poznan.
Copenhagen is going to live and breathe these talks for the next 14 days: advertisements about the climate talks and green technologies cover the city, over 100 heads of state are expected to converge to attend the meetings, and police are ramping up security in preparation for unprecedented demonstrations. I am bracing myself for an intense two weeks.
Kimia Ghomeshi

Bio/About: Kimia is an Iranian-Canadian currently based in Toronto, Ontario. Her commitment to environmental and climate justice was sparked after her participation in a Community Environmental Leadership Program in high school, and further ignited through her volunteer experiences in Costa Rica and Panama where communities face devastating effects of large scale agricultural production. Kimia is also the Canadian Youth Climate Coalition's Campaigns Co-ordinator.
My adrenaline is still pumping after the Conference of Youth this weekend, where over 1,000 young people came together to learn, network, and strategize for the COP. It's been so inspirational for us to meet youth from hundreds of countries, from Norway to Kenya to Colombia to Fiji, all united around one cause and passion: fighting for climate justice. What do we want? To make sure that our governments and the world understand that young people, whose future is at stake, want to see a fair, binding and ambitious climate deal. Survival is not negotiable for the vulnerable communities that will be hit hardest by climate change.
Alex Doukas

Bio/About: Born in Toronto, Alex now lives in Calgary and works with the Pembina Institute, a national think-tank, on renewable energy and energy efficiency policy issues. He holds a BA in Environmental Policy and Practice from the University of Toronto's Centre for Environment. Alex has a keen interest in the environmental impact of Alberta's tar sands and how they influence Canada's international position on climate change.
On my way to a meeting on Saturday, I hit (or was hit by) something. Not in the proverbial sense, as by an idea or a concept, but I was physically hit in the head so hard that I can't even remember what happened. Maybe I walked into a pole, maybe I fell and hit my head on a cobblestone, maybe I got punched. I was confused, tired, sore, and the rest of the day I had a million things to deal with that I couldn't find time to get done. It was pretty much like every other day at the COP, except normally I don't bother going to the hospital.
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Way to go guys! It's our future that's at stake as youth.
Thanks for representing us in Coppenhagen!! I'm really looking forward to following your posts!
To the environmentalists of Earth:
It's great that you are all concerned about the environment. I am also very concerned about all real environmental pollution. However, do not be so gullible as to believe that CO2 emissions are responsible for climate change or that it is a pollutant.
The basic premise propagated by such films as Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth claim that CO2 levels CAUSE a rise in global temperature - that is absolutely FALSE.
If any environmentalist has the courage to look beyond the popular fiction and gross falsehood that CO2 is bad, a pollutant, causes global warming and is dangerous to human health, they will discover the following:
1) CO2 does NOT cause global warming! Temperature on the planet has ALWAYS risen BEFORE CO2 levels rise. This is an inconvenient fact purposely misinterpreted by Al Gore in his film An Inconvenient Truth.
In the film he shows in his famous ‘hockey stick’ chart the relationship between warming trends and CO2 levels. This is true, there is indeed a relationship there as the chart shows. What he does not tell the viewer is that the CO2 levels only increased AFTER the temperature of the planet warmed up – generally over a period of 500 to 800 FOLLOWING planet warming NOT preceding!
This is proven by the very same ice cores which he so proudly shows in the film as proof of his own disingenuous interpretation!
2) CO2 is NOT a pollutant! I have heard the ludicrous statement over and over again in popular media and by certain officials that CO2 is dangerous to the health of people. Are these people all under some kind of mass hypnosis that causes them to ignore FACTUAL SCIENCE? Far from being harmful, CO2 is extremely beneficial to the environment. We need MORE CO2 in the atmosphere – NOT LESS! Just ask any greenhouse grower how beneficial CO2 use is to increasing crop yield. It is estimate by the Professors (listed below) that it would be a BENEFIT to the planet to have at least 5 to 10 times the amounts of CO2 currently measured in the atmosphere.
3) Please, open your minds to the possibility that you have been mislead on this extremely important question. Are you big enough to admit the possibility that there is NO good science to support man-made global warming? Are you willing to explore the possibility that the whole CO2 ‘monster’ has been created and manufactured for political and corporate goals?
4) Good luck and remember be skeptical about ALL points of view and look closely at the SCIENCE that has been done. I urge you to read and listen to what these esteemed Professors have to say: Prof. Tim Ball - Climatology, Univ. of Winnipeg, Prof. Ian Clark - Earth Sciences, Univ. of Ottawa, Prof. Bob Carter - Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Queensland Australia.
Regards,
David Shurvell – Environmentalist and advocate of environmental stewardship based on empirical science - not fallacious hyperbole.
Re: D.Shurvell's comment. He wrote: "We need more CO2 in the atmosphere, not less. Just ask any greenhouse grower... To this, I must point out that a greenhouse is a highly controlled, climate-manipulated place. (No matter what is going on outside of it's walls, the plants will thrive).
There are also very few insects inside greenhouses that would consume the plants. Does this mean we should mimic this environment in our yards and use chemical insecticides and herbacides for weeds? (I shudder at the thought).
The toads and birds (and bats thru the nite)take care of garden bugs amazingly well in my raised organic garden. The vegetables are fabulous, by the way.
An ever-rising amount of CO2 spells bad news. We have fewer (and shrinking) areas of greenspace all the time that pull and utilize CO2 and convert it to O2(oxygen); which is, the last time I checked, kind of vital to most life on the planet (except anaerobic lifeforms).
You may want to consider taking a few science courses, as you seem to lack knowledge in several areas and should not really be expounding on the benefits of high CO2 levels in the general atmosphere (especially when presently combined to form a lethal cocktail with sulphur dioxide, nitrous oxide and the like). Hence: greenhouse gases form the 'greenhouse effect' and cause vast 'heat or smog islands'. Google some of those terms.
We can mitigate (lessen) some of the effects of climate change by reducing energy use in every facet of our lives and planting trees and fruiting shrubs vigorously. Flowering plants are great too, as they will attract butterflies, and some birds too. There are way too many endangered species. We have been poisoning them and their habitats.
Phone your politicians at every level and demand green roofs become the norm on buildings and that you want green (ecological)space preserved and wildlife conservation measures taken. Demand more from those that can create policy and have it enforced.
Teacher:
Ok children , now we are going to talk about mother earth and how we all must do are part to serve her by fighting climate change .
Student :
But , Ms. Leftinski , my dad says that environmentalism is a cult and a socialist plot that has been made to be a religion that is to be forced on us all to eventually control our lives through a global government .
Teacher :
Billy , your father is a hater and a denier and I will be alerting the school board and also the ministry in Ottawa .
You tell your father that he is no longer fit to raise you , and you will quite possibly become a ward of the state for your own good .
Student :
Thank you teacher , my dad was making me cry by making me feel funny about mother earth . I welcome your intervention . I feel all warm inside now , but not in the global warming sense .
*laughter and applause*
To ascribe modern climate change to one single variable (carbon dioxide) or, more correctly, a small proportion of one variable (i.e. human produced carbon dioxide) is not science, for it requires abandoning all we know about planet Earth, the sun, our galaxy and the cosmos.
In the past 100 years or so the scientific consensus has twice held that the earth was definitely cooling (1895-1930 and then 1968-75) and forecast that a catastrophic ice age was approaching.
Scientific consensus has also held on two occasions the contrary view that, instead of cooling, the Earth was dangerously warming up (1930-60 and 1981-now) to the imminent destruction of coral reefs and polar bears. Mankind has been blamed in each of these four separate alarms and thus mankind must do something about it. What a cavalcade of bandwagons these dire warnings have engendered.
Grapes were once grown in Britain as far north as Newcastle, crops and cattle were once raised in Greenland and the Thames has frozen over on occasions. The very same scientists who were forecasting in the 1970s the imminent disaster of the approaching new ice age are now forecasting doom by global warming. What a myriad of businesses this new religion of climate change has spawned and what a bandwagon on which to advance both careers and profit. En passant, an entirely new concept has been created - that of policy based evidence making.
The thinning of the polar ice caps has not just started to happen - it has been going on constantly but irregularly since the last ice age. The Earth's polar regions have had ice caps for only about 20% of the Earth's geological history. To parade precariously poised and puzzled polar bears as being the consequence of man's burning of fossil fuels is political gimmickry of a low order -- yet it sells, and how!
Yes, the Arctic ice is thinning but do we hear at the same time about the contemporaneous extension and thickening of the Antarctic ice? Why are some populations of polar bears actually increasing?
If it were not so serious it would be profoundly funny to witness the very building block of life, carbon dioxide, vilified as a pollutant. Nitrous oxide, nitric oxide, sulphur dioxide, the fluorocarbons and the particulates of combustion are all pollutants and do damage. Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant; it is an essential part of all life on Earth. Furthermore, atmospheric carbon dioxide is but 0.0001% of the carbon dioxide held in the Earth's oceans, rock, terrestrial structure, soil and life itself.
There is no notional greenhouse surrounding us. The Earth has an atmosphere composed of a number of gases, some of which absorb and impede heat re-radiated from the Earth but others do not. The atmosphere contains two main absorbers and retainers of Earth's radiated heat - water vapour and carbon dioxide. Water vapour accounts for some 70% of the retention whilst carbon dioxide accounts for less than 10%, with methane and ozone accounting for nearly all the rest. I.e. by far the largest culprit in so-called global warming is water vapour but do we hear anything about that?
Without these heat-retaining gases Earth's surface temperature would be some minus 18°C and life, as we know it, could not exist. It is more accurate and meaningful to describe the atmosphere as a sweater round the earth, protecting us from the cold, rather than a greenhouse intent on boiling us and doing us harm.
I pity the partys in power when the public arrives at the full realisation of how completely misled it has been by its own Government and how many trillions of their money had been wasted (accompanied by falling standards of living) in vainly trying to pursue the deluded folly of stemming naturally occurring climate change. The two concepts of King Canute and the Flat Earth Society spring to mind. I can just imagine the wrath that will be visited on the party in power when the full realisation sets in.
To summarise: scares may come and scares may go but there is no universally accepted evidence that the burning of fossil fuels and the consequent production of carbon dioxide has anything whatsoever to do with climate change or even temporary global warming.
In ending may I commend and acknowledge valuable help from Nigel Lawson's book "An Appeal to Reason - A Cool Look at Global Warming": Professor Ian Plimer's book "Heaven and Earth - Global Warming: the Missing Science": Christopher Booker's "The Real Global Warming Disaster."
I fear that "climate change" has simply become a Convenient Untruth; now being peddled to conceal a hopelessly delayed and utterly inept energy policy for Britain.
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"Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early 21st century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree and on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age"
- Professor Richard Linden of MIT.
"Global warming is largely a natural phenomenon. The world is wasting stupendous amounts of money on trying to fix something that cannot be fixed"
- Doctor David Bellamy, Lecturer in Botany and wildlife broadcaster.
@Graeme Clark
Calgary
Excellent summation .
But , the people will not rise up against the manipulators when the AGW agenda fizzles out . People are sheep , they will just move on to the next pasture that their shepherd manipulators herd them to . People only revolt when their manipulators tell them to. In a neatly controlled revolt that is .
People need to be led around by their noses . It's the easy life for them .
Ah but the blanket of ignorance is so comforting is it not? Nice try but no biscuit. Can human activity alter the climate? Why yes it can as proven over the last two thousand years thought granted on a localized scale, we still have managed to accomplish alterations.
How you say? By changing the flow of water for one, by deforestation another,think of North Africa and the Romans. Are we a part of the current climate changes - of course we are, do you think you live in a separate space than the earth?
Do you think what we do has no impact? Come on how ignorant can you be, the earth is not some sort of sponge ready and willing to absorb our pollution? I have before me the data on the ozone layer 1955-1975, the researchers of the report tried in vain to gain the attention of the political ear to bring to their attention a troubling discovery.
The response was like the above commentaries - doubting the data. The data indicated that human activity was altering the ozone layer in a negative way. If you lot had been around back then as vocal as you are now we still would be pumping aerosol pollutants into the atmosphere.
Has the damage done to the ozone layer altered anything? Why, yes, it has changed the amount of radiation streaming down on us to a higher level. Is this a good thing? Increased cancer levels suggests it is not. Perhaps we should talk about the ramifications of above ground nuclear tests which blanketed the globe in radioactive dust and the long term damage that is causing?
It is related to the increase of methane for example. Or perhaps we talk about our water in this country, which was tested in the 1990's right across this land. Samples were taken from all sources from above ground to below, from lakes, streams, rivers, wells, aquifers, etc.
Thousands of samples were gathered from the urban to the wilderness environments and not one was found without pollutants. The number one pollutant is particulate of diesel fuel a waste by-product of petroleum use. Will this alter the climate - yes of course it will.
The earth's greatest 'lung' is the soil, alter the microbes you alter the atmosphere, you alter the atmosphere you alter the climate, radiation amounts impact the microbes in a grand way, wiping out whole populations, giving rise to niches quickly repopulated by often 'inferior' species unable to 'digest' as completely as the previous populations did for gases like methane.
There is more to go over but I will stop here for now. You can snuggle into your ignorance all you want, it will not change what is happening, it will not go away, and when the time comes and you realize we have indeed caused a problem for ourselves, perhaps then you will mature enough to grow-up and join the rest of us in changing how we treat our home, the 'old ways' will not cut it, not if we want to remain as a species on this planet, it is time to take stock and realize that our gross inefficient means and ways can no longer go on.
It is time to beware of the resources of this planet, their limits and to take great care on how we use them.