Stolen investments
- November 13, 2008 9:12 AM |
- By Your Voice

Submitted by Alagan Elavalagan
Bio: An Engineer graduated from Carleton University working in the telecom industry. Currently, the Manager of Quality Assurance for a VoIP company. Also, the creator of the mathematical board game BEDMAS.
My take: Economy didn't die, it was killed! Investments weren't vaporized, they were stolen!
I am not any closer to my retirement, thanks to the white-collar thieves, I may have to skip my retirement part all together and go to the next one, the death. In other words, I have to work until I die. That is what people do in the lawless countries anyway.
I was born and lived in a third-world country for the first half of my life and then lived here in a so-called first-world country for the second part and here are some findings I have:
The third-world countries are full of hyenas. From the doorman to the minister almost everyone will expect something under the table. But you can escape from them just by throwing up a couple of notes or even a packet of cigarettes. In the first-world on the other hand, there are no hyenas. Even if there is one, promptly they will be punished by the law. Instead, what we have in the first-world are just a few but well connected monsters. They are rich, powerful and networked to look after each other. They will hunt their millions and billions and you cannot escape from it. Unfortunately, even the democratically elected politicians and the ill-fated judges are with them.
Just to put things in perspective, the money I lost on so-called investments in a few years here in the first-world could be more than enough to bribe the hyenas in a third-world country for life. So, what are the benefits I am getting from the democratically elected governments and the legal systems? They deliver nothing, nada, nil but some additional costs. Even worse, some of these investments I earned by washing the Wal-Mart (Square One, Mississauga) while holding two Canadian engineering degrees after losing a job at Nortel.
I have been wondering if there may be a calculated plan to take Nortel private. We know what happened to Air Canada and others. There is long list of companies that went through similar five-step-cycle: 1) have a reasonably good product(s), 2) build the hype, 3) go public and suck all the investments as much as possible, 4) steal them and make it unprofitable, 5) take it back to private and go back to profitability again. One smart way to steal is to buy some private proxy companies at inflated prices because you got the power of 'decision making'.
My New Year resolution was not to buy publicly traded stocks anymore at all. Better I build my own small business and let it grow slowly. If the fruits are not there for me, let my children have it. Even if I lose all the investment on my own business; at least I can feel good about it because I did something myself instead of giving my hard-earned money to some unknown white-collar thieves to fly here and there, enjoy luxury life, steal the rest and then telling me 'oops, your money is lost'.
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Comments (21)
Guess what, all of ordinary Citzens, here in this so called Democratic Society have been screwed. Not just You.
We were begged by Government to invest in RRSP,S for our Retirement Years,so as to not over burden the Goverment.
Then when u turn 71 they Tell u ,you must convert to a RRIF.
Work your whole Life, and Bingo these Greedy thugs steal it all before your very eyes.
Do you see a foment for Revolution!?
Could north America become the Next part of the world where they will have to send in NATO
troops to protect these thiefs!
The New world Order,or the Amero currency?
Obama Shmaama, there is no one, out there gives fiddlers whoot about you and Me!
Go for it, your Small business, just do not use the Banks! Hide your Money in your Mattress.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your story makes me weap. I had also my inventment stolen by those offical thieves.
It seems that we live in a world without justice.
As I lost,someone must win.
Where is our honest and clean money Mr.Alagan?
We know who are the thieves,but we can not point our finger to them.They are the powerful "Money Men" of Wall Street like Lehman Brothers for instance.
There are too many people at the top, ministers of the crown, senators, judges, civil services etc etc taking far too much. There is nothing left for the little guy. While the federal gov't has given $75BILLION to the banks, what have they given to the little guy. Nothing and we are watching our pension plans dry up.
This is getting a little upsetting!!!
The RRSP boondoggle is really starting to come home to roost. I got out of all my 'protected' savings a few years ago - after doing some unorthodox thinking and then investigating possible outcomes. At the time, I realized my savings were not really my own - the big hand of government was forever installed between them and myself. If I were owner of a lrge, or medium sized - corporation with highly paid accountants and lawyers, I reasoned, this sort of thing would possibly be to my advantage. But, it seemed clear that the tax burden could be increased willy nilly by our government at any time [look at the Trusts], the 'rules' could be changed for any number of 'reasons', and I basically would not have real control or access over my own money. I also was alarmed to realize my husband and I had succumbed to what most folks did who were made very afraid, through TV shows and news programs and extremely aggressive non-stop advertising and bank circulars - that they would not have enough to retire on - that Canada Pension would not be there, that most folks did not/would not have a company pension generous enough to live on - if have one at all. And so - we had borrowed [oh so conveniently - and made most popular by the 'powers that be'...by refinancing and taking equity we had in our home at that time. But now, as this equity evaporates, these 'loans' hit with a double whammy, if one tries to keep the house for the rest of the amortization. And, the equity moved to the RRSP now represents less than half if one is lucky - for those very unlucky millions who are invested in 'higher yield but somewhat riskier vehicles' we were all advised to 'save' in to earn 'enough' for our future retirements - that lost equity is now worth is worth zip in our retirement accounts as well. After spending bundles of cash to fees and front-loaded and end-loaded commisssions to the financiers who planned it for us. So - how convenient this now appears to the major global wealth shift that is going on!]...Don't forget, we were all aggressively encouraged by our own governmnet to buy these RRSp's -and then we got the hard-hitting spiel by all the new 'financial products' wizards of the day telling us the tax benefit would be greater than the interest etc. etc. So - many of us lost ownership of our houses trying to use them to build up investments that 'paid' better, and we now owe far more than they are worth; now we also lost that retirement money as well that came out of the house.
A little too convenient, if you ask me. Even though I was mocked by everyone at the time for 'stashing' my cash in the walls, and in primarily paying down my mortgage [something seen as backward at the time, unfortunately]...and by remembering my grandmother's and parents' admonitions about 'schemmes' - even government schemes that seemed too true-blue to believe - I am relieved to have held on to some of own money where nobody has access or control other than myself. In terms of work, for those who have no personal or familial memory of 'really tough times'...this is when the Underground Economy flourishes. Not even illegally neccessarily - folks start doing for others what they were once paying strangers to do - and we take care of those around us on a more personal community level outside of consumer services, and outside of financial services institutions [ie. loans, credit cards etc.] - outside of the 'visible public sphere'. This, I think - is why the main thrust of bailout packages are aimed at the financial instutions and not the general public. The powerful cannot risk a return to consumers becoming just citizens again - folks who enjoy a degree of independence from their meddling in our personal exchanges and relationships.
Gentlemen,
Please grow up; take responsibilities for your own naivety. But don't worry, the Canadian government will save your sorry derrieres.
That is why I never bought RRSPs or invested in something was promoted so much. My friends and banks I dealt with called me stupid and surprised to know that I do not belive in RRSPs, RESPs, etc.
I did not lose any money by this economic turmoil and I paid off my house which is worth something.
Alagan I could not agree more with your direction of staying away from publically traded stocks for retirement funding - it always seems that there is a way to lose your wealth in this manner. I have been investing any excess household monies into small business ventures for two years and can honestly say that it is many times more secure that the stock market.
At least in your old country you could see the face of the theives, here these theives are faceless.
If you don't sell your investment portfolio you won't lose anything. Just need to wait till this cycle is finished and you get your money back. Not to worry
Alagan,your letter "stolen Investments"was bold and so true that I'm surprised it was published,I would like to offer some explanations on why this country is run in such a corrupt manor.
First a brief recent history of the Canadian regeim.The late 1980s to 1993,massive tax hikes along with mass cuts in spending were impossoed by Brian Mulroney and the conservative party,most notable was the GST in 1991,this raised the price of EVERTHING by almost 20 percent overnight.There were complaints,Brian Mulroney was of course replaced by another puppet by our democratic process.The amazing thing was that there was no talk of revolution,no demonstrations to speak of,no general strike,not even a tax revolt,Canadians just rolled over and paid,this set a very dangerous precident,the amounts that could be taken from these hard working passive doormats was limmitless.The rullers know and act on this fact to this day.
What most Canadians mean when they say"take responsibility for your own actions" is "be willing to pay for the crimes of others".
Until a time comes when Canadians are willing to offer even the smallest measure of resistance towards the ruling class,this is the plight we deserve.
arrived here[canada] at 17 . toiled all my life happily, widowd 20 years. lately the fiasco's eg: income trust-in may of this year i was informed the surviors benefits would be cut by @$100 per month [due to there error dated 2000]. manulife failed to give me a T5? in 06-i did declare the income. in 07 i failed to put in the correct box[27?] as a result i never got an refund- oh yes i have appealed and appealed to date no avail. no wnder the underground economy is thriving. totally disallusioned,73 and scrounging for a job!lost dream london
You're all nuts. RRSPs are the best way to grow your wealth over time for retirement. I never heard anybody complaining about this during the last bull market when stocks were paying 10-15% returns per year. We are now in a downturn, as we've had many times in the past 60 years and the stocks will rebound once again. This is an excellent buying time as stocks are now undervalued and are on sale. There will still be more turmoil during the next year or so but then the stocks will rebound and you will lose out on the big returns. The other thing you people fail to realize is the tax break you get on the initial investment. You're looking at 25-35% return right away from the tax break and most companies match up to a ceratin % so you're getting 50-100% return on your money right from the start. Just because there a few bad apples out there and we are in a downturn doesn't mean people are "stealing" your money. Get your facts straight before making posts that are stupid. By the way, I don't work for any type of financial institution.
So how often did you owners of shares out there act like owners? How often did you vote your shares, speak at the annual general meetings, analyze the business strategy of the company of which you were part owner and try to hold the board responsible? If you do own mutual funds, how often did your fund manager show up at shareholder meetings, and how well did they participate as your proxy?
OK, again, it is tricky to participate when many of the shares are held in mutual funds and voted as a block along with the board. Still, when you buy a share of a company it is, in theory, because you want to own a slice of the business. As an owner, you either participate or get taken for a ride.
No small amount of the responsibility for the current crisis lies in the comatose attitude of shareholders to running the companies they own. When Wall St. when public in the 80's and 90's they took advantage of this. As private companies they never would have taken the risks they did, their own money was on the hook. Instead they took public money and were neither on the hook themselves nor held responsible by an informed shareholder body.
Your plan to invest in and grow your own, private business is exactly what capitalism and the economy needs, and how it is supposed to work.
The market goes up and down, anyone without inside knowledge that invests must keep in mind they are gambling.
I think the ones on the inside knew the markets were going down and started to pull their money out of mortgage based investments and put it into oil and commodities. It would explain the huge jumps last year in oil, corn, rice. Remember all the stories about oil forecasting to hit $150 and food becoming so expensive that people were rioting for food in some countries.
My questions are:
how many of the oil and food stories were "planted" in the media to drive the prices up?
what happened to all the food riots?
where are the very rich stashing their money now?
The "stolen" funds are a consequense of a wrong investment decision not conspiracies or lies. GICs and Canada Saving Bonds retained their value, which is the original investment and a small ROI. Also, a lot of investors speculate on the appreciation of stocks, rather than looking at the dividends the companies pay, or the actual value (real assets) of the company.
With the shrinking credit the spending euphoria is finally ending, as the "first world" is saturated in consumer goods and can no longer borrow the funds to finance purchases they neither need nor can afford.
During this "buy now - pay later" frenzy the old fashioned value to "save first - then buy" has been completely ignored.
This should be an eye opener. We have all been punished for greed. Its amazing how some of us came from a third-world country and quickly became addicted to money and higher returns. Me, I stick to the old ways and never forget where I came from. I Invest my money in Gold,bonds ,term deposits,my home and my children. Sure, I missed out on high returns when the stock market was swell, but I didnt loose much when it nose dived. The money I lost in the stock market, I take full responsibility for. Do you have to work untill you die? Well depends upon what you want when you retire.. Me, I will return to my third-world country and try to share some of my blessings with those who are not so blessed, teach in a school , do social service and my $500 a month will go a long way in supporting myself and a few other under-priviledged ones. Stop chasing the money and the returns, its not an answer to any of our problems.
Thank you so much Alagan Elavalagan. You spoke for me. I also come from so called third world Country, and I understand you well.I also agree.
Talking about first world, I live in Toronto (A city within a G:8 Country) I work for one of the Fund companies @ King/Bay, and take the King St streetcar (Whenever it shows up) home. The streetcars are so old when it rains, I get wet while I am in the car.
A combination of rootless corporations and useless politicians…..third world transportation
As we all know, before you get your hard earned dollars, our government takes their cut first before you realized that your pay cheque has been cut in half. Surely we all know that the politicians representing us (apparently) have been in bed (on golf course too) with those big shots in high profile public corporations. When the CEO and Chairs of the corporations say jump, our politicians say how high. The bailout, what bailout? The average citizens will not see the bailout. We are squeezed from both ends, living on a shrinking income with ever higher cost of living. The high priced corporate executives continue to farm our hard earn dollars and Government continues to reach into our half empty pockets. Canada may a free country, that is, if I will be free by age 85 to retire.
I think the public is finally waking up!!!
But what are we doing about it? Nothing!!!
As Canadians we like to complain and act like victims. Yes, we are voluntary victims and I think we are enjoying the role.
Come on people, we elect our government, so if we don't want to be victims...let's stand up and fight for our rights!!!
Canadians are known not to have a backbone,lets prove them wrong...we have rights...use your legal rights to our advantage...you need to overcome your fear of the powerful and corrupt...after all we gave them the power to victimize us...take a stand...fight back if not for us but for your children and grandchildren.
Due to a ongoing court case I can not tell my story at the moment, but I hope to see the day in the near future when I can disclose the horror of what is being done to thousands of Canadians and the sad results of what fear has lead them to do.
I am retired, worked and saved all my life. I sold off some of my mutual funds about a month ago at a capital loss before their price went any lower, and bought a GIC with the proceeds. Now I have to pay tax on any interest I earn on the GIC. Who do you trust any more? If the banks don't get you, the government will! Best to buy gold, land or hide it under the mattress! When it comes to money one can only trust oneself...wish I had done more of that!
Just one question for everyone.
We all bring up issuess that exsist with in our Country, Provine and cities. Everyone has their own issue and problems they would like to bring to the light. Some issues are small and some issues are very big and serious. The questions I have is when it is time for us to speak (I am talking about the time of voting) why do we keep on making the wrong decisions and keep on electing the same politicians over and over again. Why do not we learn from our mistakes and experiences. Why does the Government oes not care any more about the people in this society. All we do is talk, talk and more talk. Mean while with no jobs have no money to pay rent or but enough groceries. But we all want to talk more. Kids in our society has more easy access to guns and than to better education but we wan to talk and talk and talk more. Government's solution is "post Police Officers in the school". Bravo what a solution. Is it a solution or a band aid. 800,000 immigration cases pending with 800,000 futures hanging in the air but Miniters are not accountable to the prople. People I think we are gettinb to the point where we have to do something. We need to start thinking and making right choice by electing right people to make right decisions for us and our country. Please wake up and instead of just talk think of practical solutions for our seciety and our generations to come.
Protest!!!! Stop all unnecessary (non-edible, non utility) spending for 60 to 90 days. See if you miss it. Repeat for another 30 to 90 days. Multiply by lots of people. See what happens.
Further I am really delighted to see that when I liquidated all my RRSPs a few years ago this was somehow not such a bad decision.