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Vatican Swiss guards salute as cardinals arrive for a meeting at the Vatican, for their first round of meetings before the conclave to elect the next pope, Monday, March 4, 2013. (AP Photo/Andrew Medichini)

Vatican Swiss guards salute as cardinals arrive for a meeting at the Vatican, for their first round of meetings before the conclave to elect the next pope, Monday, March 4, 2013. (AP Photo/Andrew Medichini)

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As the cardinals gather in Rome to pick a new Pope, Michael Enright speaks with Garry Wills, who explains why his rejection of the Vatican hasn't shaken his Catholicism, and with legendary New York newspaper columnist Jimmy Breslin, about his break from the Church over its moral failures in his 2004 book, The Church That Forgot Christ.