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The Girl in Saskatoon: Discussion
Originally broadcast on October 22, 2008 | Comments 22
It is a crime that has haunted a city for almost 50 years. On a warm, Spring evening in Saskatoon in 1962, Alexandra Wiwcharuk went for a walk along the bank of the South Saskatchewan River and then disappeared. Two weeks later, her body was found in a shallow grave. Exactly what happened to Alex Wiwcharuk that night is still not completely known and her killer remains unidentified and unpunished.
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hello Fifth Estate, just dropping a line about Alexandra,I have recently asked the family if it would be OK to ask the North park community assoc. to release an article in there news letter for April 2010 in regards to Alexandra s murder. They were more than willing and honored , after all the murder did happen in North Park.The article is very well done and lets hope there will be some response. It will be 48 years ago this coming May that Alexandra Wiwcharuk was murdered, and still no closure, lets not make it any longer,This past weekend when the news letters were sent out to the mail boxes,The Fifth Estate had reran the program on Alexandra , Excellent Timing I will continue to help the Wiwcharuk family in any way possible, Thank You Michelle
michelle saskatoon
— Posted on April 23, 2010 06:28 PM
In the program it talks about bringing in help from another police force , smarter police as it was put, that would never have happened, outside police force would maybe have solved the case and uncovered the incompetence and the Drunks that ran our police force in Saskatoon back in 1962 and then carried their so called wonderful policing into the 1969 murder of Gail Miller,EVERYONE REMEMBERS THAT MESS.
michelle saskatoon
— Posted on January 13, 2010 07:10 PM
hello Fifth Estate, My name is Michelle, I live in saskatoon Sask. I have been involved with Alexandra s case for quite awhile , I work very closely with the family members. I am a paranormal Investigator and medium.I live very close to the murder scene, The Saskatoon City Hospital and of course the cemetary were she is laid to rest. I keep a very close eye on Alex s grave sight and put myself back to that fateful night in 1962. I have walked the route from her house right down to the River, I have felt choking sensations the smell of lilacs when lilacs were not in bloom at the time there were to men involved which one of them is vowed to silence one mistrusting the other when there were drinking rampages . Alex has seen there faces before. please don t let this case grow any colder, please contact the Alexandra Wiwcharuk website or myself at gh0st1@shaw.ca thanks Ghost1 Paranormal Research
michelle saskatoon
— Posted on January 13, 2010 06:26 PM
ok enough is enough, This has been going on for 47 years, and no one can figure out who killed ALEXANDRA WIWCHARUK, some one knows something , some closure would be nice for the family , and justice for this deceased woman GOOD GRIEF. And if the killer is still alive , REAR YOUR UGLY HEAD, and come forward you coward you are an old fart by now , what the hell do you have to loose?
michelle saskatoon
— Posted on November 15, 2009 09:31 PM
I accidentally picked up Sharon's book as I read non-fiction and grew up in Prince Albert. I was so intrigued by the book and the history and mystery. I was 13 years old at the time of the murder living in the Prince Alberta area. I command the family for searching for the murderer and do hope there is closure. I believe they have let go but are determined to do the job that should have been done in the first place. I too am from a ukrainian backgroud and cannot help but feel the connection. Good luck nieces!!!!
I have followed your story....I feel for the nieces and the remaining family.
I was born in Saskatoon in 1968. My Mom is the one who has made me aware of this story and the beautiful young lady that was so brutally taken from this world. Although I cannot change these events I will watch, listen and pray for the outcome. I believe that the nieces will find who did this. They should be held responsible even if they have passed away. Their name should be dragged through the mud just as she was buried in the mud.
Know that I pray for all of you and for a positive outcome.
Hello,
I just want to say that I am truly, truly sorry for brutal murder of that lovely lady Alex. The story really moved me. I am sure Alex knows her nieces are doing their best to find her killer. I'm sure Alex feels incredible love from her nieces. These ladies are beautiful, wonderful people. Alex's life was cruelly cut short but her families love lives on and on. Alex would be proud of her nieces.
Good luck ladies in finding who did this to your Aunt.
I think it's wonderful what you are doing.
With much admiration,
Eileen Johnson
(my son is named Alex)
Larry Fisher? The victim fits his profile.
Anonymous
— Posted on December 4, 2008 03:12 PM
The direction of MacIntyre followed after a reporter from Saskatoon stated there was discussion of bringing outside help did not add to the understanding of the situation. The Saskatchewan government had a contract with the RCMP for policing in the province. As such the Premier or Attorney General would of offered their services because this was a high profile case. The city of Saskatoon had previously chose not to use the police services provided by the province and opted to establish their own police force.
Bringing in the Toronto Police as suggested proposed by MacIntyre would have never been considered. This would not have been the Toronto police force incompetent. Their location in Eastern Canadian would have created problems such as negotiations to get help from a municipal police force from another province. On the other hand the RCMP were already under contract to provide services to Saskatchewan. Not only were the RCMP under contract to Saskatchewan, the RCMP College for all of Canada and a primary Criminal Laboratory for all of Canada were located in nearby Regina.
First, I need to thank the CBC Fifth Estate for their help in keeping her memory alive. To the people of Saskatoon and across the country, a very special Thank you for your encouragement, well wishes and prayers. Your continued support has helped us through the darkest parts of this investigation! She was and is a family member and we are looking for Justice for our Aunt after 46 years. Anything that we can do to
"assist" authorities with, will bring closure to this family. With respect to our investigations, we are fully cooperating with the local and the national Police and we hope our efforts will assist them in apprehending the criminal/s.
I do though take offence when, it is implied that we are not Professionals or Detectives. We were all professionals at one time, We Are Retired Now, our children are grown, we have had wonderful lives for the most part, she didn't get that chance, and we now have time to dedicate to her, it is her time! No, we are not as per say Detectives, never claimed to be, but isn't that what we are doing? We use good common sense when weeding out information gathered. As for picking and choosing stories, you have no idea how way off mark you are! Boring I guess we are. This is not some movie at the theatre, this is real life, she was viciously raped and brutally murdered we are not here to "Entertain anyone", my god does this person even know what she has said? Shame on you!
We are hoping that quite possibly, it will change some policies on investigative techniques so their won't be anymore Milgaard cases. Don't hold your breath.
In closing I would like to say, we don't have to justify ourselves to anyone, we are merely doing this for the "Love" of our Aunt, nothing more!!
Again, I thank the many people who have come forward with information.
patty@alexandrawiwcharuk.net
1-866-794-1962 (toll free)
This telephone number and website are in no way affiliated with the Police service or Crimestoppers. All information is private and confidential, unless otherwise specified!
Thank you!
Interesting story. Is it possible that Larry Fisher could be a suspect in the murder of Alexandra Wiwcharuk?
Bobbi Carde Lloydminster
— Posted on October 27, 2008 01:22 PM
Thank you for the update on this story. I have read Sharon Butala's book on the case and have visited the site of Alexandria's murder in the past few months. What holds our attention to this murder is the fact that such a young vibrant woman's life was snuffed out so early and in such a viscious way plus the killer was never caught. This makes us cry out for justice even so many years later. She was raped, had her face smashed in and was buried alive. Her hand was sticking up out of the grave as she fought for her life. I have heard that Alexandria's mother eventually died due to her grief. Anyone who cannot undertand the relatives desire for justice, even so many years later, should realize the impact that a murder of this kind has on an entire family. I sincerely hope the family solve this case, where the police have so miserably failed. Best of luck to you.
I watched the show tonite and was really moved. this poor girl was buried alive! It's great that the neices want the case re-opened and look at again, but, why did it take the neices so long to get moving on this. This should have been done a long time ago. My question is, HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT LARRY FISHER AS A SUSPECT? Sounds like something that monster would do. But, I may be off my rocker, I am not even sure how old he would have been in 1962. Poor David Milgaard got the rap for killing Gail Miller, (a young nursing student in Saskatoon who was killed there in 1969) when instead it was Larry Fisher. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to know he was involved, if not alone, with someone else as Fisher would have been pretty young then.
good luck to the family in solving this, I hope you get justice for Alex. May she rest in peace.
I was 10 and living in Saskatoon at the time and my brother and I got chased by a guy building a house that chased us out of a new home being built and yelled at us that he would do to us what he did to the nurse. Seemed odd at the time as it was just days after the murder.
What a long show to say so little. I was interested in the subject, but, after wasting my time watching the show, believe that the real meat of the information could have been conveyed in 10 minutes. Why is 'investigative' TV so bad nowadays? Why do these programs, like Dateline NBC and now the 5th Estate, drag out a brief subject so that it becomes a one-hour show? They kept on saying the same thing over and over again, asking the nieces 'Do you really think that you are going to find the killer?', and getting the same answer. Or making is think that they are going to give us some new information, but hearing 'I can't reveal any information'. So boring! I won't be wasting my time with the 5th Estate any more.
I feel that the sisters are trying to solve this murder which is a good thing,but what bothers me is anyone can talk to a thousand people and get 1,000 storys and they all sound true umless this is proven with DNA and hard facts,I think that this could be another Milgard case,which starts with alot of hear say and old old memories that most likely have turned into out-right mis-truths,I think they should be careful that they are not bringing a bunch of gossip and hear say that is just rubbish,the truth is told in DNA but what if the DNA is a family member or someone who was at the funeral that is inocent.I don't like what I see what if another Mildgard case happens because of the sisters, they are not detectives or professionals,I wish them luck but I dislike the way they come off as detectives they say we have talked to all these people they have picked the story that sounds the best[or 2],I think that's poor judgement as anyone can think they know what happened and take a great guess.Are these ladies sincere or are they doing this for publicity.
jenny olson saskatoon
— Posted on October 23, 2008 04:42 PM
Perhaps the original investigation would have been successful if more experienced outside help had been ALLOWED to assist.
The four nieces should be given carte blanche to do whatever they deem necessary to facilitate an answer to this heinous crime, since no professional investigator has been successful in solving this in any way.
Mary Lem
— Posted on October 23, 2008 04:29 PM
Although this crime was a horrible one indeed I wonder whether or not this is something that really should continue to be investigated by the family. 46+ years have passed and yet it seems like the family is unwilling to move on and try to make some good out of her senseless murder. The family could have started pressing the government to improve polices investigating techniques, they could have pushed for more community involvement in keep their community safe - they could have pushed for people to take back the night and communicate to the evil being that did this that they would not let their fear nor their tremendous grief command their lives and that good would come out of this.
At this point it is very likely that the person who did this (if they ever get caught which I doubt) is already long dead or long gone so this investigation will probably not be able to give the family any real justice ... at best it could only give them some closure as to who did it. So in a sense the family from my point of view is wasting years of their lives trying to find answer when they could have moved on and tried to prevent similar crimes from happening again.
I was wondering if anybody checked with the military, at that time there would be a lot of personnel from around the country preparing Camp Dundurn for the onslaught of summer training there.
I was so intrigued with your story on the murder of the young nurse Alexandria. It brought back the memory of hearing it on the news many years ago (46 yrs)...I was a young mother-to-be at the time, and the horrible event was the topic of discussion among friends. I commend the family for not giving up and being so committed to finding the person(s) responsible. They are so positive in their efforts and I believe they will be rewarded.
I was happy to see an update on this story. There is
much interest in this case in Saskatoon. I received
several telephone calls today asking if I knew it was
going to be on, and to make sure and watch it.
I feel that there was much lacking in the original
investigation. I have my suspicions as to why. Anyone who is interested can look in the old newspapers in the
Archives at the Public Library and decide for them-selves.
Thank goodness for the four nieces who are working so
hard at trying to find out what happened to their beautiful Aunt. I believe if it weren't for them, nothing would be done on this case. Let's hope something will come from their efforts.
Thank you for doing the story on Alexandra Wiwcharuk Oct 22, 2008.
I was surprised that more info was not given about the construction site where she was allegedly killed. Could it have been a transient construction worker who killed her?
It also seemed odd to me that she was struck with a cement block. Where did the block come from? Was a new building constructed near the scene of her death (after or before she died)?
I could not see any new building in the current video you showed where the women (who were trying to solve the murder) were on the murder site with the cold case polic detective.
The second thing that struck me as odd is that there was no mention in your story of the use of a psychic to solve the murder. Didn't anyone think of that?
Those are my comments. Thank you.
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