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The Third Tower

September 3, 2008 4:16 PM

9/11 Conspiracy Files: The Third Tower delves into one of mysteries surrounding Sept. 11th, a third tower at the World Trade Centre, which along with the Twin Towers, collapsed on that fateful day. But this skyscraper was never hit by a plane.

This 47-story tower fell seven hours after the others and has become the subject of heated speculation and conspiracy theories largely fuelled by the internet. 9/11 was the first global event in the age of the worldwide web and it's being used as a platform for a wide range of conspiracy theories - more than 50 at the last count - that allege that the U.S. government was somehow involved in the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.

Comments

lumpy wrote:

September 7, 2008 11:20 AM

Any body who believes that the Americans brought down the world trade towers are liberal communists that practice treason on a regular basis. These people also belong to the “World is Flat Club”.

This was already disproved by Popular Mechanics.

PM consulted more than 300 experts and organizations in its investigation into 9/11 conspiracy theories.


http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

Cheers
lumpy

Bruce Lyon wrote:

September 8, 2008 8:45 PM

Glad someone noticed there were a few suspicious effects around the 3d tower.

I find it peculiar that a cement building, turned into pulverized dust didnt raise more questions.

Mike wrote:

September 8, 2008 10:51 PM

But didn't some guy already admit that they "pulled" this building using demolition because it was damaged? Isn't this a non-issue?

judy deol wrote:

September 8, 2008 10:57 PM

The people who do not realize that WTC7 was a controlled demolition are part of the cover-up. Wake up sheeple!

trout wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:04 PM

Nobody with any brains has ever bought the official version of what happened on 9-11.
The BBC's prescient report of a 'freak' collapse was a 'mistake'?
Don't talk to me like I'm stupid.
Pleas see this
http://www.911blogger.com/node/17578
and also this
http://the911forum.freeforums.org/withering-critique-of-the-new-wtc7-report-t44.html
Thanks for listening.

Darnell Cromwell wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:05 PM

I have no idea what to believe. I've seen both sides of the story, but what was revealed in the passionate eye tonight does not leave me convinced that there isn't anything more going on besides a building collapsing at near free fall speed because of 600 degree fires melting the support beams. A building has never fallen because of fire in that manner before, so why are we to believe that WTC7 is any different then any other building. This explanation doesn't work in my mind at all

PATurmel wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:07 PM

It was only a few days later that the United States declared war on all terrorists and ordered all governments to do the same.
The time frame is unrealistic.

Peter wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:07 PM

It would be interesting to see experts from both theories (the government report is also merely a theory)engage in a live debate over the cause of building 7 collapsing. My personal view is WTC7 indeed came down with the help of explosives. Thus far, nobody has been able to explain (sans Cr. Steven Jones) how it came down in such a symmetrical fashion - only a controlled demolition can achieve that. Regardless of my opinion, I'm glad the CBC is bringing this issue to light - keep up the good work.... and please never, ever allow your network to be sold to an American corporation. Programming like this would be banned if a US corporation was in control - we'd all be subjected to zombie-mind-numbing "reality" shows. Peace.

judy.lane wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:09 PM

My theory is that when the building was built in the 1980s, it was wired to be imploded at a future date. If that is the case, all anyone would have to do is put 24 charges at the 24 columns whenever required. We all know that property in New York is at a premium, so blow up the building and build another, the government wins so they have their ruse for war and the other party wins because they collect the insurance, rebuild and get richer. The mystery would be solved by identifying who gained financially from the building going down. I bet if one were to find out who the owner or owners are, you would see a few influential political personnel on that list.

Rick wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:11 PM

That was fascinating to me that the building or tower 7 was pulverized that much to fall in 8 secs(aprox) Not from structural damage but from fire?7 hours???? The coincidence is too great for me. The Federal government of the US in my opinion do what is best for the country ...period People die in almost every project or en devour in the name of progress and that they believe the greater good will be served This and other incidence where government calculate life loss as part of progress goes on throughout our history of the world .

Anto wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:12 PM

Everyone always says the government is too stupid to pull something like this off. Anybody who thinks that the people in the white house run the show accept anything. The power elite of the world control every aspect while we argue over meaningless issues we really have no control over.9/11 was done so that American Corporations and the American military could place themselves into strategic positions to control the natural resources found between Iraq & China. If for any other reason the US invaded that area of the world people would be against it. Instead they use the excuse of "fighting terrorism" to justify there invasion of countries deemed to "a threat". There is more to 9/11 then Highjackers, planes, & buildings, its just the corporate media only wants to produce a certain picture for you to swallow.

Disappointed wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:14 PM

So what happened to the story about all THREE buildings falling down directly on their footprint? If the CBC will not/cannot address the issues properly, I would ask that they leave the discussion of such 'controversial' aka politically-distasteful issues for investigations more competently capable of addressing them in their entirety. In my opinion, this documentary merely threw out out disconnected pieces of a puzzle the CBC should not have even addressed in the first place. Out of respect for academic professionals who initially sounded off this so-called conspiracy based on scientific facts (UNLIKE the 20-something-year who merely made a video out of it, which you chose to quote) if you cant do it right, don't do it at all. Please and Thanks.

ZorroIsGod wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:15 PM

LOL too mush…
Still working on covering it up….
The one thing you’re forgetting is resistance in your film… Basically all 3 build failing on to is own foot print….LOL a miracle I call it… The only thing you’re proving to the world is how bad your physic are…

Rick Tufts wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:17 PM

It was totally predictable that the CBC would come to the inevitable conclusion that there was no conspiracy. You have approximately, (was it 700 experts in the field of architecture and related fields?) saying that the collapse of Building #7 by fire alone was impossible. Some of the explanations of the official version were rridiculous. One of the many things that were not mentioned is the fact that the phrase "pull it" used by Larry Silverstein is an expression used in the field of demolition to refer to a demolition. They made a ridiculous attempt to explain that with the fire chief saying they made the decision to "pull" people away from the building. It's almost childish.

Sorry folks but the coverup goes on and now the CBC is part of it. What a world!

Rick Tufts

john wilson wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:22 PM

so ummm... when did fox buy the cbc? until now i've trusted them to courageously deliver balanced in that they would air a documentaryformation to the canadian public, does the rabbit hole go even deeper? i find it a bit suspect that they would air this doc on the eve of a canadian election, most candians after all have completed grade ten physics. the cbc should not have aired this doc, most canadians are not satisfied with the "official" explainations regarding 9/11, least of all, the collapse of tower 7. alas, the bilderburgs are coming... (-_so ummm... when did fox buy the cbc? until now i've trusted them to courageously deliver balanced in that they would air a documentaryformation to the canadian public, does the rabbit hole go even deeper? i find it a bit suspect that they would air this doc on the eve of a canadian election, most candians after all have completed grade ten physics. the cbc should not have aired this doc, most canadians are not satisfied with the "official" explainations regarding 9/11, least of all, the collapse of tower 7. alas, the bilderburgs are coming... (-_

Wulf wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:26 PM

Thanks to CBC for showing the Film The Third Tower.I have spent over 100 Hours on the the
911 Mystery.I will post a other Comment soon.

kelly wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:30 PM

When did the flagship of Canadian journalisim become such a laundry for the U.S. line? I've watched the show for years. NEVER AGAIN. Get some balls!!

Michael Marcoux wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:30 PM

Much was left out of this documentary. What about the witnesses who were in the lower floors of the big toweres who were busy rescuing injured people from fires and explosions that were in progress before the first plane hit?

Jan Burton wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:47 PM

Poor truthers!

They've got their WTC7 "smoking gun" and along come all those pesky FDNY witnesses to blow their theory apart.

If WTC7 was a demolition then how did the FDNY know the building would collapse from structural damage? Why did they "pull" back? Why did they not report seeing or hearing the demolition charges? Where they all lying about the state of WTC7?

Truthers can't explain the FDNY reports without dragging the firefighters into their massive conspiracy, something that most of them are very reluctant to do given that 343 firefighters died that day.

Mihouse_45 wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:47 PM

I think the most telling point that WTC-7 was a controlled demolition was the BBC field reporter reporting on the collapse before it even happened. It has never been sufficiently explained, and still isn't. Again, the official explanation of a centre span being softened by fire is contrary to the laws of physics.

Taylor Porter wrote:

September 8, 2008 11:50 PM

It's about time that they cover this. Years too late, the fact we have invaded Afghanistan over this (Which has lead to over a hundred deaths and cost a lot of money). These questions were being asked within days of 9/11 but it seemed the media felt these were "off topic" or merely didn't care.

Jared Smith wrote:

September 9, 2008 1:03 AM

I enjoyed this documentary very much so as I am interested in the whole 9/11 disaster. I thought the program presented was very effective at raising some important questions and answering many aswell. The part however that gets me the most is the lack of a solid final conclusion. If these multiple events ie. WTC 1,2,7 buildings, pentagon and the camp David attempt had been linked more effiently in the fact that they all share the same sly characteristics then a better theory would hav been concluded. But that is my opinion and respect that it is mine only.

Michael Latham wrote:

September 9, 2008 1:46 AM

This is easily the best MAINSTEAM MEDIA coverage of the conspiracy involving the 9/11 attacks I have seen to date; however there are some problems:

A. 9/11 = INSIDE JOB. There is WAY more evidence of government involvedment, lies, and coverups involving 9/11. Google it. This is nothing we are making up. Check out Richard Gage's lecture at

http://www.ae911truth.org

He present the FACTS. Plain and simple.

B. B. Almost every person they interviewed to refute the truth has a personal stake and motive to be less-than-forthcoming regarding what happened that day. And there are WAY MORE EMERGENCY RESPONDERS that contradict the positions of the same in this short film.

C. The governments of the G8 (and the military precision they surround themselves with) are far more efficient and sinister than we give them credit for. This in spite of the fact that the idiot-puppet George Bush isn't. (1 small example: Bush refused to speak to the 9/11 Commission without Dick Cheney, a member of the Council On Foreign Relations being present. Why not if there is nothing to hide?

D. NO ONE ON THE PROGRAM ever deals with the fact that Building 7 fell at near-free-fall speeds and way NEVER HIT BY A PLANE! Even if somehow they were able to explain a collapse (which they aren't) it would have NEVER FALLEN THE WAY IT DID. Watch the film. NEVER. I would bet my life on it.

9/11 was an inside job. It was funded by the illegal and immoral INCOME TAX! It was carried out because THE GLOBAL ELITE in EVERY G8 Nations (Canada, UK, USA and so on) want to strip our Constitutional rights away from us and create a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. (Or a NEW WORLD ORDER Google that!

Don't trust the MEDIA! Get out and vote for the;

http://www.canadianactionparty.ca

Dex wrote:

September 9, 2008 2:03 AM

Great documentary. I personally still have a hard time believing in the conspiracy theories about septemeber 11th but I also love to read or watch presentations about the conspiracies. Another great documentary about the 911 conspiracy is "Zeitgeist". It's a three part film, the second part focuses not only on tower 7 but all the conspiracies surrounding 911. Definately check it out, believer or not.

james flack wrote:

September 9, 2008 2:06 AM

having watched both your show that you have aired on CBC i have to say that I am still unsatisfied as to CBC fulfilling its obligation to Canadians when it comes to 9/11

I would like to see Fabled Enemies played on CBC or how about 9/11 Mysteries or even Loose Change. Barry Jennings talking about explosives, the expert for 27 years talking about explosives, and yet we still haven't answered questions there is to much being left out. like on Sunday no mention of Bin Laden family ties to Bush Family lets get down to a real INdependent Investigation see what Japan Parliament had to say. No mention of all the put option which suggest Insider Trading. and they got their War in the end. Nope no conspiracy.

Rob Tamaki wrote:

September 9, 2008 2:10 AM

What is truly remarkable about this documentary is that while the BBC has attempted to debunk the so-called "Conspiracy Theorists," they failed to respond to most of the evidence proposed by those who challenge the official story.

For example, they readily acknowledge the satellite-based remote sensing indicated surface temperatures in excess of 700 deg. C five days after the event, and after continuous dousing with water. However, this point is completely ignored by subsequent defenders of the official theory. They obviously had no answer to this problem.

Further, to suggest that the iron-rich spheres found in the dust were the result of cutting operations during cleanup completely ignores the provenance of the dust samples tested by Stephen Jones. The dust samples were taken from an apartment several blocks away from the towers. There is no possible way that residuals from cutting torches could have made it that far.

None of the hard evidence in support of the Controlled Demolition hypothesis is actually refuted by the documentary. There are only emotional appeals structured to marginalize those who question the official hypothesis.

Steven Clark wrote:

September 9, 2008 2:23 AM

I was in New York that day and actually have footage of Bldg. 7 coming down. One thing for certain, there was definite "chatter" on the street beforehand that it was going to come down. There was also a very real sense that police and fire departments were preparing for it. Is that because "they" knew the fire had caused sufficient damage and it was going to "fall", or because it was planned?

Scott Porter wrote:

September 9, 2008 2:34 AM

The memory of those buildings going down so perfectly (almost?!?) in such a short period of time is enough for me. The funny thing is, I could still accept the explanation of the terrorists somehow being given unfeterred access to rig up support columns with thermite - maybe because all the building maintenance was outsourced to foreign influenced companies, for example. If this were so, why the denial of a controlled demolition? If it is just denial, then get over it, but if its to cover up a lie with more lies, then 'get a rope,' beause it smells like treason not only to country - but humanity in general!

jb wrote:

September 9, 2008 3:01 AM

I have to say that the Passionate Eye did not do this specific 9/11 conspiracy any justice since the program showed a somewhat biased opinion when displaying certain evidence that was found at Ground Zero.
Certain evidence that could cause viewers to really raise their eyebrows was also missing from the broadcast and certain testimony supporting the theory was discredited.

werner simbeck wrote:

September 9, 2008 3:32 AM

Pretty good documentary on the collapse of the 3rd tower - WTC / building 7. It seemed convincing that fire could bing down a 47 floor steel framed building in a matter of 6 -7 seconds perfectly symmetrically into its own footprint. The speed / acceleration of the collapse seems to have occurred at rates almost equivalent to objects falling to earth in vacuum. But how is that possible?

From physics we know a=dv/dt & v=dy/dt. Now assuming constant gravity a=9.81m/s^2, no air resistance and that the object falling started from rest we get the relationship y1-y0 = 1/2a(t1^2-t0^2) since t0=0 & y0=0; so we get the general expression y=1/2at^2 where y is the height and t is the time it took for the object falling in vacuum traveling the distance y at constant acceleration i.e. gravity. When solving for t and plugging in the numbers for height of building you will find that the collapse occurred at a speed that is impossible to explain with simply a fire hypothesis. If WTC7 = 174m in height, then t=5.96 seconds!

What happened to all of the floors and its support structures? How could they not provide any resistance that would otherwise have taken away energy and slowed down the collapse - (i.e. like the crumble zone in an automobile)? Any structural resistance would have slowed down the collapse significantly. The math does not make sense! I would support an independent investigation in to these events, that is open and based on science. I think we owe this to the victims.
WRS

Jan Burton wrote:

September 9, 2008 12:37 PM

It should be pointed out that Steven Jones (the guy who claims to have found thermite) is a proven academic fraud who lost his university job because he falsely claimed that his 9/11 research had been peer-reviewed when it had not.

No wonder the "truthers" would choose to believe such a fraud.

Dmitri wrote:

September 9, 2008 12:54 PM

That documentary was neither here nor there. They chose to quote realtively poorly made "Loose Change" and ignored the most glaring questions surrounding all 3 towers: How can the 110-story building collapse on its own footprint in mere 10 secs, when simple calculations (even sans steel frames) show it needed at least 90 sec for a "pancake collapse"? How the building miraculously turning into dust can actually cause the pancake collapse with its weight becoming lighter, not heavier? And there *were* evidence of charges found at Ground Zero, with steel columns cut perfectly diagonally, some uniformly warped. Watch "911 Mysteries" for many better asked questions.

Mark Catenacci wrote:

September 9, 2008 12:55 PM

Everyone that thinks that there was a conspiracy around the events of 911 needs to read a book called " Debunking 911 Myths, Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up To The Facts " By Popular Mechanics. Popular Mechanics has really studied what happened and talked to experts and no matter what new ridiculous theories people can come up with they just can't stand up to the facts. Remember the 343 !!!!

John Barclay wrote:

September 9, 2008 12:59 PM

Truth has come a long way in seven years.
Remember when there were only two towers ?
Remember Rosie O'Donnel fired from the View for saying WTC7 out loud ?
Now, the complicit/compliant/completely useless Mainstream Media must spend precious pre-election hours of airtime trying to convince us that pigs are still chickens and snakes are still ducks, just like Bush, Harper et al told us.
The story ain't sticking because no-one with half a brain ever believed it in the first place.

Tom Morrison wrote:

September 9, 2008 1:59 PM

After watching this Doc. and doing a great deal of reading on this subject I have concluded that the following link provides the best review of 9/11- The 3rd Tower.
I would highly recommend it to anyone interested in the truth of what happened that fateful day.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/16564

BonEva1 wrote:

September 9, 2008 3:41 PM

Unlike the intriguing "Secret History of 9/11", last night's "The Third Tower" was one of those conspiracy theory films that relies on the filmmaker's blind obssession with the fact that a third tower fell and there must be a U.S. government run plot, because there were all sorts of important offices housed within.

Every time the filmmaker was provided with much more credible and reasonable reasons as to why this third tower has not been mentioned in the public accounts, gets irrationally angry because he wants HIS theory to be true.

About the only thing I agree with in his film is the surprising fact that there was a Third Tower....I don't know anyone who knew there was one and this is surprising. Aside from this, the film's suppositions do not hold water and the premise that the Third Tower collapsed because it was a planned demolition, which would have required a phenomenal amount of planning that was never proven or seen, is just the filmmaker's need for his film's premise to be accepted as a serious documentary, which it isn't.

Ray wrote:

September 9, 2008 4:39 PM

I was excited at first to see CBC and Canada take what was looking like a truthful and realistic approach to the evidence. As I watched further it became evident CBC was not going to make a statement either way about "who done it".

That's fine however I would like to express a few opinions not sought or seen in the CBC "documentary" to fill in a few gaps or voids.

Items worthy of further discussion in no particular order.
1) Marvin Bush's company ran security at WTC.
Bush connections therefore a possible way to get the demolition materials in place before 9 11 as witnessed by many tower workers who spoke about dust and noise as well as power shut downs prior to 9 11.
2) Oil and banking cartels along with Global Corporate interests OWN your and my government legislating accordingly.
3) I was dissapointed at how quickly CBC dismissed the BBC reporter making it look like a 10 second clip that ended with a signal loss rather than what really transpired.
BBC reported at length for about 5 minutes that The Soloman building (WTC7) had fallen when in fact WTC 7 is standing right behind her in plain view.
CNN and all media got their info from CIA that day. Check it. CNN states so during 9 11 event and during their rebroadcast.
CIA leaked the fall of building 7 1 hour prior to its actual collapse as reported 30 minutes before the actual fall by BBC.
4)There is zero evidence of a pancake. Pancake means floor upon floor upon floor, each slowing the rate of collapse.
This did not happen on 9 11 on either WTC1,2 or 7. Rather the buildings fell into their footprint in free fall speed/time while leaving no floors and creating a pyroclaustic (sp) flow. The buildings were turned to dust inconsistent with pancaking.
5) I suppose though the most astonishing passage of the CBC film for me was when they claim that the steel structure of building 7 deteriorated, that it had rotted and had holes in it.
CBC somehow wants me to believe that a 30 year old building rotted out like an old car from the rust belt salty road east, flaking and scaling, chipping away at itself overtime till it looked like a well used BBQ element full of holes rot and weakness.
If this were to be true then why did Rudy build the command center into B7 just prior to 9 11 for $16 million dollars?
Surely when you create a 160 MPH windproof command centre with its own air and water system as well as power and other command centre type tools you do an inspecting of the integrity of the building you're going to do this major modification to.
Because Rudy and NYC built their command centre (and did not use it btw) in building seven proves there was no integrity issues to any reasonable mind.

R U Smarter than a 5th grader?
How does a 145 foot wingspan airplane fit into a 16' hole?
That's what happened at the Pentagon.
No holes for the engines no holes for wings. no hole for tail section.
After a short burn a 75 foot wide section of the Pentagon collapsed still too narrow an entry point for a large Boeing.
Jamie McIntyre on CNN claims he was misquoted.
Not true. JMac states plainly and clearly the largest part of a plane at Pentagon would be small enough to pick up in hand.
There are many inconsistencies to the official story when compared against the evidence.
Planes cannot fly at ground level at 500mph.
"Hijackers" who could not fly sure were good at just turning those planes around and heading directly at WTC and PGone targets with amazing skill and precision pulling more Gforce than most trained pilots care to engage.
The US government did not do the dirty deeds of 9 11.
Those who own the US government did.
Learn about Bilderbergs and NAU and skull and bones and free masons and how banks are choking the life out of us all.
Learn that GWB grandaddy thru Harriman Bank financed the rise into power of Adolf Hitler's Nazi party.
Learn that Britain would not have been bombed had the American Standard Oil Company NOT sold the Oil additive to Germany that Germany needed to fly airplanes with.
Learn that the Federal Reserve system is corrupt and never ratified, same for the income tax act.
Search You Tube for martial law and concentration camp.
The US has "Civilian Internment camps" set up with gas chambers and rail cars just like WW2
I have hundreds of hours of information.
Please check it out here
http://www.classiccougar.net/Forum/viewforum.php?f=28&sid=187e73f38d77f1361110d98c083d3474
Thanks CBC for allowing this amount of "freedom".
I know the agenda is to remove that right.

Steven Bush wrote:

September 9, 2008 5:38 PM

It was interesting to hear the perspectives of Mr. Jennings, Mr. Lisioux (sp?) and of the NY firefighters who filmed the side of the building where more fires were visible. These were valuable contributions to the database for those who have been trying to put together the pieces re:9/11 for years.

Unfortunately, "The 9/11 Conspiracy Files" overall betrays such a clear bias to support the Official 9/11 Commission theory and to debunk competing theories that it calls into serious question the research behind this film. Omissions are glaring. I'll just cite a couple: 1) The rapidity with which the WTC sites were cleared and the rubble disposed of - much of it on ships to China - constitutes a shocking example of removing evidence from a crime scene; 2) Marvin Bush, George Dubya's younger brother, was a principal in Securacom which, in theory, provided security for the WTC buildings. Why were these facts not noted in the film you telecast?

I urge "The Passionate Eye" to telecast any of the several better-researched documentaries that have been released over the past few years. To wit: Any talks by Michael C. Ruppert (author of the massively documented "Crossing the Rubicon"), any talks by David Ray Griffin (author of "The New Pearl Harbor") or "The Great Deception" by Canada's own Barrie Zwicker. These would begin to balance the extremely IMbalanced perspectives shown in "The 9/11 Conspiracy Files" and even in "The Secret History of 9/11" telecast the previous night.

mike desroches wrote:

September 9, 2008 9:37 PM

Hey Marc C.
It amazes me how people that believe the OFFICIAL Story (a conspiracy theory itself) do not realize that most "truthers" are simply seeking an actual investigation. Maybe you should try reading "Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory." by David Ray Griffin. Perhaps you could point us "truthers" to the Official Commission report. This 575 pg report claims that "Our aim has been to provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11 and to identify lessons learned. Should this not be an official believers bible??? its amazing how many of you always refer to pop mechanics. I hope you know there is an offical commission report availble to the public. Also, the final WTC 7 report was recently released ( 7 YEARS TO LATE) and they concluded that "fires in the building MOST LIKELY caused the collapse". Most likely isnt good enough to justify over 1 million Iraqi deaths and hundreds of thousands Afghani lives. All we want is a non biased investigation by actual experts in all fields regarding 9/11. Unfortunately the evidence was destroyed shorty after. People in charge of key command posts actually got promotions for their negligence, when they should have lost their jobs. Instead it is the muslim world, who doesnt embrace walmart and mcdonalds, who pay with their lives. If you live in Ottawa, meet me on the hill on thursday the 11th. Id luv to INFORM you on the false flag events of 911 and the hell it has unleased on the other "humanity" they call iraq and afghan.

Robert Grant wrote:

September 9, 2008 11:00 PM

The most important facts are that there were pools of molten metal at the collapse sites for all 3 towers, and if you can find jet fuel (which is about equal to korosene) that will turn steel into molten lava (iron), you should tell the world becuase you would be a millionaire. The truth is that most of the 10 000 gallons of fuel burned up in the initial fieball (just watch it) and the remainder could not melt any steel.. The black smoke indicated the fire was running out of fuel, and cooling. The lead firefighter was already executing a plan to get the fire under control when the tower collaped. As well you can now listen to many more declassified tapes of the firefighters in WTC towers 1 & 2, where they clearly report serveral addiitionl explosions throughout the complex on multiple floors. Most importantly they failed to mention that Securacom, the security contractor that was responsible for security at the WTC unitl 9/11 was run by Marvin Bush, GW's younger brother. They had bomb sniffing dogs pulled from the site 2 weeks before 9/11, and there was a mysterious power outage on 9/09/01, the sunday before 9/11, which had never happend before to the complex. Why else did Larry Silverstein try to damage control the collapse of WTC 7 by admitting that they pulled the building becuase the fires were out of control. HE ADMITTED IT!!! Please people who live in bubbles because they are afraid of the truth, Albert Einstein said, "The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. " 9/11 truth will set us free

Blair T. Longley wrote:

September 10, 2008 5:40 PM

Regarding "The Third Tower" doc ...

I was very surprised that it was not as
bad as I was expecting it to really be.

Of course, the more you know, the more readily
one recognizes the lies and absurdities used
to try to prop up the 9/11 official story.

Since the the Spring of 2006

I have been keeping a thread

on 9/11 on our English forum:

http://www.marijuanaparty.ca/forum.html

There are links there to many articles
and various videos, and my comment.

Gary Huntbatch wrote:

September 10, 2008 10:39 PM

In Dr Steven Jones's 9/11 Boston conference (google it) he states quite clearly that for the towers to come down as they did without the help of explosives defies Newtons 3rd law which states that in everything, there are equal and opposite forces. So as much as the upper part of the structures were allegedly forcing down there was an equal and opposing force pushing up. Pure....simple ...physics. How do you de bunk that?

Jaro wrote:

September 13, 2008 7:47 PM

According to the CBC Documentry 911 Conspiracies is anyone who questions the 911 official story will be labelled a" conspiracy theorist".Regardless if this is true or not you must look at the motives of 911 truthers and that of Mainstream Media.


http://posmedprod.webs.com/newslinks.htm (WATCH THIS VIDEO CALLED MONEY TALKS)

Bill Snow wrote:

September 13, 2008 10:47 PM

The CBC “caved-in” to main stream U.S interests.

People are searching for answers because the official theory should explain all the incidents and anomalies, but it doesn’t (military exercises at the exact time, secretive cleanup, absence of aircraft wreckage at all sites, molten metal). The events of 9/11 were terrible. It is the reason that our soldiers are in Afghanistan, it influences our economy and national security. It is the single most important geo-political event in recent history and no one should be coerced from trying to understand all of the anomalies that happened that day. Unfortunately, this objective search for truth does not extend to the CBC. One can only hope this subservient mindset does not extend to a Canadian version of NSPD-51.

serena karmally wrote:

September 14, 2008 9:14 PM

For 5 years, my red-neck Texan brother in law, and I did not believe the conspiracy theories. We were thinking with our emotions rather then our senses. But when we realized the official story defied the laws of physics (equal and opposite reaction), with the towers falling through thin air without any resistance, aluminium planes flying through building with steel beams etc with no loss of speed, we had to believe this was an inside job.
No matter what any 'eye witness' says, the laws of science cannot be reinvented just for 9-11. No other 'debunking' matters.

Peter wrote:

September 14, 2008 9:26 PM

I don't care if people like Bush or not. Personally, I think he's done much harm on the world stage. And it really doesn't bother me when people question the integrity or motivations of their government. I think it's healthy in a democracy. And I would never question anyone's patriotism were they to bring their government to task for their actions.

What bothers me, however, is the utter absurdity of the arguments the 9/11 truthers use to try and convince people that the U.S. government purposefully orchestrated 9/11. Leaving aside the overwhelming scientific and eyewitness evidence that counters their argument, lets think instead about how illogical it is. First there was the theory that flight 93 actually landed and the passengers were deplaned, and presumably vanished into thin air. When that didn't work out, they tried to convince us that the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile. Presumably, the government conspirators were willing to sacrifice three airplanes and all those passengers, but had a heart and figured they would spare the passengers and fly them to a secret location, never to be seen again. Or maybe they couldn't secure a fourth plane because the airlines weren't cooperating. Then it was the twin towers that were brought down by controlled explosions. Cause ya know, they weren't sure that exploding airplanes full of jet fuel into the towers would yield a strong enough reaction.

Now, it's tower 7. Are we to seriously believe that conspirators demolished building 7. For what purpose? I think we all got the message after the two towers fell and the pentagon was hit. I mean, how many people really even noticed or cared that building 7 collapsed, given what happened earlier in the day. Why would they take the risk of planting all those explosives in the building and triggering them? I mean you'd need teams of men and equipment. Assuming there was a government conspiracy, surely this would have been the most risky of propositions. It's one thing to sneak four guys on to a plane with boxcutters without getting caught, but it's another thing to prep a building for demolition. Please, someone explain to me the motivation behind demolishing building 7. And please don't tell me "we don't know, because the government won't tell us." It's the ultimate lazy argument of conspiracy theorists.

Al wrote:

September 15, 2008 9:38 AM

theories aside... I find it intriguing that if someone gets murdered, there is a HUGE investigation lasting years if need be to discover the truth of what happend... yet the official investigation around 9/11 is a complete joke...

my 2 cents...

bring on the revolution!

AkbarJ wrote:

September 15, 2008 8:49 PM

I felt that this whole documentary focused far too much on the architectural aspects of the Third Tower and didn't really go into detail about the corruption of Silverstein. The bit about Silverstein was by far the most intriguing portion of the Third Tower, which was on the whole largely uninteresting. With a topic as sensitive and controversial as the topic of 9/11 is, it is almost impossible to leave bias out of any documentary on the subject, but the bias that Dylan Avery showed was a bit surprising. It was almost as if he was patronizing his own viewers for not being able to realize the truth, and as a result paints him to be more of an anarchic individual as opposed to an objective person.

Still, it was intriguing to find that people truly found the conspiracy behind this third tower to be a coherent connection behind 9/11. At the end of this, I was interested to see a new perspective but I was hardly convinced that this third tower had any true relevance to the other conspiracies behind 9/11. Perhaps I didn't pay enough attention, but The Third Tower came off to me as a mere analysis of the Third Tower and its collapse, without bringing up any real answers to 9/11 and how the two connect (other than the fact that they both exploded).

SK wrote:

September 15, 2008 10:01 PM

I strongly urge the CBC to revisit this issue.
Your informed, educated Canadian viewers expected more.

Delaina wrote:

September 16, 2008 2:18 PM

I say to anyone who doubts the conspiacy therories to stop looking at the single day of 9/11 and to start looking at what has happened long term. If a terrorist is clever enough to plan and execute an act as large as 9/11 then I think it is a safe bet to say he would have thought of the consequences. Would he really kill 3000 americans at no profit if he thought for a second like anyone would that almost a million of his people would be dead in 7 years? Not likely. Would he just assume that George Bush would just sit back and do nothing? Not likley. Besides we all kniow there are better ways to terrorize a country rather than just fly into buildings.

Michael T wrote:

September 16, 2008 2:54 PM

Placing all of the arguments aside for the present moment. My main point of concern/contention with the conspirorist's ideas/arguments in the documentary is the fact that they constantly drew on information provided to them by the one architect. The nature of this inforamtion, for those who havent seen the documentary, pertains to the structural integrity of Number 7 and is presented as incontrivertable in its nature because an architect says so (an obvious appeal to authority). What I would like to remind everyone is that this source has a huge credibility issue. Firstly an architect does not have a technical background; yes they might have limited knowledge about structure and load but they cannot legally sign off on a building to assume the legal responsability for the structure and the subsiquent inhabitants. In order to make the inforamtion presented in the documentary legitimate, it would have to be coroborated by a structural engineer and the fact that none could be found to interview, I believe speaks for itself. Secondly I would like to make it perfectly clear that fire could indeed compromise the structural integrity of a steel column supported building to the point of a catastrophic faliure. To support this evidence I would like to site a conversation I had with my father (Director of Fire and Emergency Services at Pickering Nuclear Generating Station, and a Professional Engineer with a Mechanical background). He told me that fire has been known to cause the steel in a column to heat to such an intense degree that the metal twists and shears itself in two, thus causing a chain reaction when the second column must support its load as well as the load of the failed column, and so on and so forth. Therefore it is completly and utterly within the realm of reason that a fire could compromise the columns to the point of collapse, and that each column could give way within a tenth of a second of each other. In conclusion, I would like to make it perfectly clear that I neither agree or disagree with the conspiritory ideas presented in the documentary, I am simply exposing a flaw in their reasoning and an issue with their evidence's credibility. Take it or leave it - the information speaks for itself.

Ethan D. wrote:

September 16, 2008 4:47 PM

I personaly thought the part about how ineffective a goverment buracracy was about keeping any secrets or even cordinating things. allthough it pains me to say it, governments dont allways work fast and things countiusly fall through the cracks... and knowing what i do about how hard it is to cordinat large groups of people without everyone knowing about it, a conspiricy the size of 9/11 is hard to belive in.

Michael Latham: whats so bad about a "ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT" as you call it? If the right people were in power the world could finaly get to setting itself straight. finaly, no more African orphans! now thats something to conspirices about!

Juliana S wrote:

September 16, 2008 10:36 PM

When i first saw Loose Change, i was pretty much conviced that all of the 9/11 attacks were set up and Bush was a total moron for doing this to his country. The fact that he just sat there in that small classroom after just being told what was happening to the towers didn't make matters better for the other side of the argument saying that the attacks were, in fact, terrorist attacks. One logical fallacy i did find within that documentary was card stacking. Dylan Avery presented the media's awareness of the attacks being terrorism, but failed to say much else for the other side; therefore putting too much emphasis on his own arguments, and although his arguments were vaild, they weren't backed up by much, except theories and accusations. Bravo to Avery for having the courage to put this into documentary film but how can you be so certain of something that has little to no evidence of all the facts? Therefore i stand, as of now, after watching The Third Tower, on the fence about this subject as long as there is no sufficient evidence to support either side completely.

Robbie M. wrote:

September 17, 2008 7:50 PM

Overall the 3rd tower was an eye opener, but the main problem i had with the whole documentary, was the fact that any expert they had on, was incredibly bias to one side or the other. Either doing everything the could to disprove the other sides argument.

It would have been nice, if at least one person one have acknowledged the other sides argument, and treated it as if it had some validity to it.

In the end it's hard to draw any conclusion either way. Did Bush screw up in the way he treated the situation yes, is that a valid premise for a conspiracy theory, no. He's done that 8 years straight, hes just consistent.

Did a 3rd tower containing Government agencies collapse collapse the same day as the world trade centres, Yes, but until you get proof that either President Bush and his administration were behind the attacks on September 11th, or that both that collapse of the WTC 7 and The World Trade Centre Towers are connected, with indisputable fact, all any of this is, is speculation.

Either way i think it leaves all more aware of our world. And all the fact that people need to think before they say anything that has no facts behind it.

Tom V wrote:

September 17, 2008 8:45 PM

I feel that this documentary is far to bias, for anybody who appears on it are either trying to prove that thew tower fell because of the government or vice versa, so there was no objective party that would either no knowledge of America or of someone who doesn't know all of the past 10 years, but I also can't help thinking that by the their ( the conspiracy people) standards then couldn't this movie be also a attempt by the government to blindside us to the real issue, which is...

A.NABAG wrote:

September 17, 2008 8:58 PM

i believe that the mystery surrounding building 7 was one that was exsagerated by those who have already been dissapointed with the way the government of the U.S. has been operating within the past 8 years. it tells a story of great corruption and attempts to convince us that politicians and those in power can go to such lengths to cause distruction of such a large scale within their own country for reasons that can never be worth the cause.

The archetectial aspect of building 7 is one of the main points that try to prove this consperacy but all of the peeple who reinforce that point or reject it are ones who hold obvious biases and/or can be labeled guilty by assossiation.

the final point of the documentary that shaped my opinion are the words of the firefighter who was angry with those who questioned the event that killed his colleague. I do not believe that there is a conspiracy surrounding 9/11 only because i would not dare to believe that someone could be so cold-hearted to conduct such a thing and get away with it.

~W~ wrote:

September 17, 2008 10:06 PM

Oh goodness Lumpy, I'm not going to get started on that one. All I have to say is that your comment definately made me laugh.

I have a few observations that seem to have been overlooked. (they aren't arguments, just something to think about).

The first is how it all started, with the abduction of the plane. We simply accept the fact that it somehow got taken over by terrorists and the rest is self explanitory. However, the government was well aware of the hijacking and yet, both planes succesfully made it to the towers without any interferance. (Although the third plane aiming at the pentagon was stopped).

Secondly, the use of thermite was never disproven. One claim was that the thermite was simply from the cutting tools after the collapse. Yet, this would have been done quite some time after it's collapse, where as the sample used was taken only 20 minutes after the tower's collapse. Further more, Mark Loizeux (the guy [president] of controlled demo) never disclaimed the possibilty of thermite, he simply (and fallaciously) stated that if it was possible to use thermite for controlled demo, he would know. And since he didn't know, it couldn't have been done.

Finally, as not to fall victom of logical fallacies myself, I would like to remind those who took the time to read this that this situation is not a dichotomous debate; it doesn't necissarily have to be "terrorists" vs. "conspiracy". In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if somehow some third party was involved that no one has even thought about.

Oh well, I'm not to worried about it, everything balances out in the end. The middle east is in ruin and the U.S. economy seems to be headed in that direction also. Either way, everyone loses.

~W~

Craig B wrote:

September 18, 2008 12:05 AM

I think one of the main points this documentary was trying to communicate, which alot of people here miss, is that we shouldn't draw hasty conclusions. People on both sides of the argument are guilty of doing this, although I think Avery was by far the worst offender in this documentary. It amazes me how Avery and people like him can claim to be so certain over matters to which they have abysmal evidence for. The fact is that no one really knows what happened, so why should we be so quick to jump to conclusions?

AC wrote:

December 29, 2008 11:07 PM

Two things the documentary failed to explain: yield and eccentricity. Any civil engineering student will tell you that steel or steel reinforced structures YIELD before they collapse. That's the whole point of using steel, to give warning before a collapse. The way WTC 7 collapsed suggests that it was made of iron rather than steel - which of course was not the case. Second, according to the documentary, the damage to the building wasn't symmetrical. That is, one side was damaged more than the opposite side. This would result in ECCENTRICITY that would cause the building to topple more to one side than the other. It could not possibly collapse straight down. Physics doesn't lie, people do.

David McDonald wrote:

December 29, 2008 11:09 PM

I missed a lot of what actually happened live on 9/11. I was on an airplane and didn't see any coverage until 12th Sept.
I do however remember a documentary by CBC Newsworld that I have never heard or seen since. It showed a man who was in NY with his wife and he was taking video outside the hotel when a fighter jet flew over. This is crucial as the timing of that flight would correspond with what the flight crew told me while on a sealed plane, about the shooting down of an airplane.
Never mind building 7, I will go to my grave with the understanding that the US airforce shot down that plane in Pennsylvania. Thoughts???

Trevor wrote:

December 29, 2008 11:18 PM

This was a terrible documentry. 9/11 was an inside job. A lot of very important facts were over looked by the passionate eye. A lot of time was given to a fire fighter who said that he believed that tower 7 fell due to the fire, but there are countless accounts of fire fighters who say that they heard explosives and they feel that 9/11 was an inside job. There is a video of Michael Moore on youtube where he speaks of the firefighters who heard the explosions. And of course FEMA is going to report that there were no explosives used. They can't be trusted.

The bottom line is that this is a terrible documentary. There are countless documentaries showing how 9/11 was an inside job but CBC wants to dismiss those people as "conspiracy theorists." Why doesn't CBC show some of those documentaries?

TruelyCanadian wrote:

December 29, 2008 11:21 PM

CBC reporting could respectfully use a little more umph than what we just witnessed tonight. If we as Canadians want to play the noble role, do it RIGHT! I'm sorry CBC, you may be closer to our hearts than CNN and BBC but take your story further. On that note, I understand the purposes of your reporting, but next time actually answer the questions that remain so conveniently in our past, before we all continue on with the illusion of our future.

Bob Korol wrote:

December 29, 2008 11:48 PM

As one who has studied and taught dynamics for many years, I, like many of those who were interviewed on the Passionate Eye, find both the collapse and the speed with which WTC 7 came down to be extremely suspicious.

For a structure that comes down nearly at the speed of free fall in a vacuum, raises eye-brows. Using both conservation of energy and conservation of linear momentum principles will significantly increase the time for collapse. Another point - why were the fires burning so violently? It's hard to believe that combustible materials like lose papers on desks, book cases, partitions (which are normally metal stud and gypsum board) could feed fires for so long and sustained at very high temperatures. Since all the steel had at least a 2 hour fire rating, and the steel itself only reached a maximum of 600 degrees C, (resulting in a loss of strength of only 50% in the most critically hot areas), the entire field of steel structural design becomes a minefield.

If, we are to believe the NIST report conclusions, the logical conclusion has to be that such buildings should not be built, unless there are severe restrictions placed on occupants use of combustible materials! Fire loading, which presently is not taught to civil engineers who are responsible for a building's resistance to loads, is going to have be included in the curriculum. Such content would require knowledge of thermodynamics so that designers include fire loading appropriately, together with other loadings such as gravity, wind and earthquake.

It appears as though a more thorough investigation is needed. The ramifications are simply too significant to be ignored.

Ex-drone wrote:

December 30, 2008 12:29 AM

I'm surprised CBC bothered to air this program. These are not new, unanswered questions. Perhaps they were before 2007, but they have been addressed - over and over again. Enough already. It's time to get back to real life.

If the only way the 9/11 truthers can hold their conspiracy theory together is to implicate most if not all of the US federal government, military, CIA, FBI, FEMA, NY state government, NYC government, NYPD, FDNY, NYC Port Authority, NYC Transit Authority, real estate entrepreneurs, insurance companies and the media, then no set of facts will satisfy them.

There are many credible resources available to address the questions repeatedly brought up by the truthers, such as:

Debunk 9/11 Myths

911 Myths

Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories

Popular Mechanics Investigates 9/11 Myths: FAQs

Screw Loose Change

Internet Detectives: Loose Change

Good Science and 9-11 Demolition Theories

Nutty 9-11 Physics

Of course, for people who believe deeply in a conspiracy, any evidence against the conspiracy quickly becomes part of the conspiracy, so I doubt that the above, well-researched websites will make much difference.

kai Taylor wrote:

December 30, 2008 2:17 AM

I have to reiterate what some have already stated. This doc does misrepresents some of the facts. Bottom line, does not matter how big the fires were in building 7, this building could not collapse due to fire.

http://ae911truth.org is one of the better resources best to get the unedited facts for yourselves since this doc was not totally honest about the evidence.

Look at video of the collapse and look for the squib explosions (top right corner). This was a classic controlled demolition and all that this implies.

Who benefited from this crime? Made billions in weapons sales and war? the same entities that owen 90% of americas media.

Sad because if this crime had been exposed right away then we would be living in a much better world. 'The Big Lie' is what hitler advocated and would have gotten away with if germany had won the war. No one believed he was exterminating jews until Germany was overrun and the facts were exposed.

An international investigation run by academics and not insider hacks who profit from this murder would be the only way to settle this once and for all. Although the crime is so obvious that honest media coverage is all that is truly required.

At least we know who can be trusted and who cannot. The cbc has got some real catching up to do, to regain there credibility on this subject. The BBC had proven to give us little more then propaganda on this subject. This should be no real surprise since they are obvious allies in the war of terror..

Thanks to all the honest truthers out there working hard to expose this massive and critical issue..

My only last suggestion is do not be dissuaded by the propaganda that puts out massive bogus theories to try and undermine the real facts. Controlled demolition is the real evidence... The obvious evidence. FIre did not cause the perfect precision collapse, explosives did.. Obviously just look at the video.

Regards

kai

Tony Coccia wrote:

December 30, 2008 9:33 AM

We will never find out what really happened on September 11th 2001 until there is a proper investigation. Meaning all evidence can be brought forward from both sides. This is not going to happen, because the U.S. government / corporate media are quite happy to let this go down the memory hole of history. It is very sad for the families that so many questions about their loved ones will never be answered.

Tony

winston smith wrote:

December 30, 2008 2:56 PM

after reading a few comments above my worst feasr where granted a home: the documentary had been used effectively as a disinformation compagin. the amount of time spent covering the actual claims of the conspiracy and the time spent debunking them was drastically unproportional. atleast three quaters of the film was spent debunking the unanswered questions instead of bringing to life the actual hard core questions brought to life in loose change.
The interview with the loose chnage director "dylan", has been so censored and distorted it's a shame it was even aired.
And there was no follow up of Barring Jennings, hope you all know he is now dead (very disheartening) and people should watch other interviews by Jennings who goes into a lot more detail.

Britt Jackson wrote:

December 30, 2008 4:26 PM

I would like to thank the CBC for making a half decent effort as biased as it was. If everyone could just take a deep collective breath and forget all about conspiracy theories, all about the "official story' turn down your volume, pretend that you have never heard of 9/11 and just watch the buildings fall. That's it just clear your mind of all preconceived ideas and watch the buildings fall. Something very simple will come to mind. The buildings never fell in the direction of greatest weakness and damage. Oklahoma City bombing showed that undamaged structure will remain standing. What or who started the fires in WTC 7?

kai Taylor wrote:

December 31, 2008 3:13 AM

Have done some research on the most recent NIST report on building 7.

The evidence is that the NIST report is a fraud.
They did not even investigate the possibility of nano-thermites, even thought they are deeply connected with this advanced explosive.

Top Ten Connections between NIST and nano-thermites is a must read. If link does not work google it.
http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_thermite_connection.html

The video link is also a very good critical analysis of the bogus NIST report. You might have to try a few times since it seems to be jamming at the same spot in recent attempts. Again google different links till you find one that works (if necessary)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFpbZ-aLDLY

now if this is easily available material why oh why are our media so unwilling to cover this truth???

Guess that is why we are becoming the media, because we have to...

cbc please do your job and protect us from fascism. This effects all of use.

Mikael P Rasila wrote:

September 7, 2009 7:38 PM

As a contractor and long time builder I've been actively trying to get people to take a closer look at the collapse of building seven and the NIST , Mainstream Media cover-up of this crime. What amazes me most is how rational people can accept things that go completely against the basic rules of physics and logic and accpet them as fact simply because they are told something is true.

The whole Day of 911 was a fabricated and then covered up farce and not even a good one. It was so embarrassingly obvious that No planes were ever dispatched to stop any planes , 267 stories of steel structure fell to the ground in 30 seconds , The lease holder confessed , Bush Lied about seeing the first plane when he couldn't have, The pentagon story is a joke , No plane parts in Shanksville, etc.

Just Silly .

Brian Wood wrote:

September 7, 2009 11:08 PM

Pretty damn obvious it is controlled demolition. Why have expert demolition companies do the work of demolishing if you just need to set some fires? Come on THINK people.

Janine wrote:

September 7, 2009 11:13 PM

You know if ppl sat back and just look at how the towers came down,you could figure it out yourself.
If you have ever seen a build demo and compared it to the towers coming down,you would see it's excataly the same way where it comes straight down.
If it was just by the plane don't you think the tower would crumble only on one side not straight down.

Ppl think and relook at the film clip.

And yes I feel sorry for all those ppl that dead and once you get to the truth of it I believe the government will be paying those families highly.

God Bless Those That Stuffer

Clifton wrote:

September 7, 2009 11:13 PM

..I just saw the presentation and found it lacked info,that for some reason ,did not show important information that has more probative value..Jennings,mentions at times we,which he states online he was with Hess..
I do find it disturbing how people like Avery Dillon and Richard Gage.. refuses to listen to fact.Its not rocket science,its common sense,WTC7 burnt out of control for 7 hoours why shouldnt it collapse.

joeblow wrote:

September 7, 2009 11:22 PM

Here is a copy of what I sent to the CBC after this disgusting "hit piece"

I just watched your "documentary" about 911. I just want to say that is one of the GROSSEST forms of "journalism" I have ever witnessed in my life. You all should hang your heads in DEEP SHAME. And you call yourselves a "news station?" You just sunk as low as Faux News. I am going to boycott your station from now on, to hurt your money supply. Seems you forgot to talk about William Rodriguez who gave up fame, FORTUNE and a seat on Congress because he just wouldn't shut up about the bombs going off in the basement BEFORE the plane hit above. You forgot to show professor Steven Jones who has found 6 differnet types of military grade thermate on WTC steel. And maybe you CLOWNS wanna tell me other MODERN, STEEL FRAMED SKYSCRAPERS that have fallen AT FREE FALL SPEED INTO THE PATH OF MOST RESISTANCE FROM FIRE????? Maybe you clowns can tell me what Norman Mineta's testimony was about, and why Cheney said "Of course the orders still stand." Maybe you can tell me why Silverstein said WTC7 was "pulled" which would take WEEKS to set up. Maybe you can tell me why Mo Atta received $100,000 the week before the attacks from the head of the Pakistani government. Maybe you can tell me how a man in a cave from half way around the world got NORAD to stand down for almost 2 hours while all of this unfolded. Ahh, but then you clowns never wanted the REAL answers now did you? I am gonna go get a bucket and throw up....that was gross. Ohh..and Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst who INVENTED "yellow journalism." Pop Mech's main advertising (95%) is bought by the military industrial complex. And the writer of their hit piece was Benjamin Chertoff, who LIED about being related to Micheal Chertoff. So those citing this publication as "the truth" are SEVERELY un-informed.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please note that this film was produced by the BBC, CBC has broadcast rights to the material.

joeblow wrote:

September 7, 2009 11:27 PM

Here is a website that lists over a thousand military, aviation, scientists, Sept 11th families, entertainers, architects who all say 911 was an inside job.....http://patriotsquestion911.com ...

Ian wrote:

September 7, 2009 11:37 PM

This was an amazing piece of junk 'journalism'.

There were so many deceptions and misdirections employed throughout, that it's hard to know where to begin. But let's start here:

Richard Gage quite rightly points what shouldn't need pointing out to anyone with working eyes: at least half of Tower 7's steel columns failed instantly and simultaneously, and they continued to fail simultaneously for the visible duration of the tower's collapse. I waited and waited and waited for the documentary to set the record straight for me regarding this extraordinary behavior, but alas, all I got was some guy telling me that he was there, and saw the damage, and that my incredulity about the collapse is an insult to the friends he lost. Nice appeal to emotions to dance around a serious question...play the disrespect card.

Also, wrt Silverstein's 'pull it' gaff, why has no journalist found out exactly which fire chief he was having the 'pull it' conversation with, and interview him for corroboration?

The same thing could be asked about the purported conversation between Cheney and the 'intern', whereby the intern asked Cheney if 'the orders still stand', to which Cheney replied 'Of course they still stand. Have you heard anything different?' Why hasn't this intern been tracked down and questioned?

Finally, please watch this recently released video about the Pentagon attack...very enlightening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o

Werner Simbeck wrote:

September 7, 2009 11:57 PM

Thank you for playing this documentary - at least now we know that there were 3 towers that fell even though there were only 2 airplanes piloted by terrorists that had trouble even on a good day to fly a Cessna. If you go on the FBI web site and look up Osama Bin Laden, then you would notice that he is not wanted in connection to the attacks of 9/11. Please people put on your thinking hats...and use some common sense. Today two more Canadian soldiers died in Afghanistan - my hearts go out to their families. No weapons of mass destruction were ever found in Iraq, but over 1 000 000 men, women and children have lost their lives there. Hey they are only muslims right, so who cares... I think we as Canadians owe it to ourselves & our children to get to the bottom of this. How many more innocent human beings will have to die because of some lie before we put a stop to this madness? Please sign the petition at: AE911truth.org Inform yourself - true knowledge is power.

WRS

PS Look up depleted uranium half life and depleted uranium weapon / birth defects in google-pictures and you will know what governments are capable of doing.

Marline wrote:

September 8, 2009 1:57 AM

Arabs crashed the planes into the twin towers. The CIA immediately declared that Osama bin Laden (an Afgan) was behind it. Bush declared war on Iraq. Logical? Why are we involved in Mr. Bush's war on terrorism? Why are our people dying for nothing?

Re Bldg 7: why did the personnel in the control room flee the building while their cups of coffee were still hot? What did they know? Who told them? The collapse was a controlled demolition for reasons we will never know.

9/11 was engineered by the American government in conjunction with armaments manufacturers. Any excuse for a war.

Sam Maurer wrote:

September 8, 2009 2:36 AM

No mater on what side your on, if you watch the collapse of any of the trade centers and stop the time it takes for them to fall (10 seconds and compare it with free fall 7.5 seconds) the answer whether fire ore explosive caused the disaster is clear.

Glenn Bolder wrote:

September 8, 2009 2:58 PM

Well, another hit peice on the truth from the mother corp. Speaking of conspiracy, I hope who ever is responsible for the cover-up of the truth about 9/11 at the C.B.C. is jailed or worse. This lie is shamefull and obvious. How do you sleep at night? Glenn Bolder, Rosseau Ont.

Danforth wrote:

September 10, 2009 2:14 PM

Hotdocs board moderator... please get this comments log over to your Editorial people. I know the CBC is divided into silos - but there's a big disconnect when the left and right hands of the same body do different things.

HotDocs has editorial clearance to broadcast this documentary (which in itself is a weak piece from a content perspective, but is has a BBC stamp on it so must be okay!)

yet completely contradictory to this...

CBC News has never brought up a single news story remotely hinting at "some problems with the OCT (Official Conspiracy Theory)" as promoted by the Bush Administration and now perpetuated by the Obama admin.

This is the story of the decade - yet no reporter dares cover it as "news". Even Jonathan Kay of the National Post can only moxy the courage to write about "the 9/11 truth movement", as he fears for his career if he were to actually report on the truth of this engineered false flag operation.

CBC news - please wake up!!

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

September 11, 2009 11:02 PM

Barring Jennings is DEAD and nobody is sure how he died !!! That is good enough for me...I believe there is a conspiracy.

André Comeau wrote:

September 12, 2009 4:27 PM

Barry Jeenings that was part of the NY emergency team has died last year weeks after his interviews aired. For 6 weeks he was unaccounted for. We have yet to found out his cause of death or seen any death certificates. His death still is a mystery. I wish someone would investigate this further.

Matt B wrote:

December 28, 2009 1:32 PM

Wow, popular article.
I watched the Loose Change movie last night and found it to be very entertaining and thought provoking, Now i am not usually one to be for these 'crazy theories' and when the incident did happen i, along with most the world, figured it was a terrorist attack. After watching this movie, however, my views shifted. Now i do have a bone to pick with the movie, as i dont beleive all theirs facts are true. For example, the was one interview with an agricultural loan advisor, who reportedly met with a 9/11 suspect (this was before the incident, by the way) and he came with the intention of taking out a six hundred some thousand dollar loan for a plane that was to be used on his "crops". However, the advisor mentionned in the mnovie that the man was fascinated with this poster of the pentagon she had in her office and apparently laid a wad of cash on the table to BUY this poster off her. As well she claims he asked a lot of questions on the Twin Towers, asking her if she knew anything about their security. Now, lets be frank here, I would naturally assume (and HOPE) that she would have have reported this guy. - Nope. Now this is but a minor fault i found with the film, but it does make you wonder how many other facts they toyed with through-out the film. But all i all, the documentary was convincing. ESPECIALLY the bit about the third tower that was something like 300 yards away (not too sure on the distance) that collapsed hours after the initial two did. And the collapsing itself is rather suspicious. For a collapse as 'perfect', shall we say, as the one that occured, ther would have HAD to of been planted explosions at the BASE of the tower. The film mentions many other prior incidents where giant skyscrapers had burnt for HOURS without any collapse. I mean this tower was built to withstrong these kinds of attacks. Not only that, a Dr. mentions in the filmn that he noticed Carbon, an explosive element in the debree from the towers. (This alone would not be sufficient evidence, as the test was performed years after the incident). Anyways, i would recomend this movie to anyone interested in the terrible incident of 9/11 but not to be skeptical about the facts mentionned.

Rodney Peter Albert wrote:

December 29, 2009 12:01 AM

Anybody who believes in the mainstream media doesn't know who owns them, They also didn't show the 80000 group of members of people who are eather first responders,family members, police, firefighters etc, that WANT a new investigation....
Also people don't know about PNAC (the projectfor a new american century)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuUvz6hLms8
it basically says it all, they didi it to get into WW2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gpbMRG5DSw (watch all 5 episodes) also watch this..it puts it all in perspective http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwcEGVGUqtc / It doesn't take Einstein to see what's going on.

The worst of it is is that Obama is worse than Bush, he still has Zbigniew Brzezinski and Henry Kissinger as a top advisers.
He has not stoped the Patiot Act actually renewing it and making it worse.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw Please watch this film.
I could go on and on but I won't because people don't want to believe that their government would do such a thing..
****Hmmm.I wonder how long it will take before our government to declassify the documents pertaining to the treament of detainees given to the Afghanee police??...Does this sound familiar??? WAKE UP, WE ARE NOT THE U.S.!!!

Roman wrote:

December 29, 2009 1:01 AM

The CBC interviewer does not ask, the controlled demolition expert, his opinion of how WTC7 fell as if it was a controlled demolition. He says it would take his company several months of preparation to demolish a large building, yet it did happen and only after seven hours of scattered fires. He should go out of business if it's this easy to demolish a large building.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS FILM WAS PRODUCED BY THE BBC.

Canaan Power wrote:

December 29, 2009 2:44 AM

This all comes down to one QUESTION: How do three shy scrappers fall directly in their footprint at near free fall speeds. Who or how or why? Not as Important! How do we make these buildings designed to stand tall, just fall? If the government can simply say well a little plane a bit of fire and presto perfect collapse then why are we using sky scrappers at all? If a plane impact and a small fire halfway up any sky scrapper can make it fall perfectly down in 10 sec then why the hell are we building them. BECAUSE THEY DON'T YOU IDIOTS OR WE WOULDN'T BUILD THEM. I'm not up on conspiracies and I have no clue what is realy going on. BUT IF ANYONE CAN WATCH THE VIDEO AND HONESTLY TELL ME ITS THE PLANE THAT MAKES THE BUILDINGS FALL, THEN YOUR A IDIOT.

Jake The Snake wrote:

December 29, 2009 2:55 PM

What ever the reason, what ever is the truth ... I'm no rocket scientist, but the WTC 7 was damaged on the one side severly and fire raged on multiple floors ... but for the building to drop straight down just seems odd.

One would have figured it would have fell more to the side that had severe damage than straight down.

werner simbeck wrote:

December 31, 2009 5:45 AM

Thank you CBC for showing this documentary again, which was originally produced by the BBC. Building 7 was not even mentioned in the 911 Commission Report. It took 7 years for NIST to complete its analysis in to the reasons why the building collapsed since it was not hit by a plane and that it constituted the third worst structural failure of a steel framed structure in history - the other two were WTC 1 & 2. The answers provided by NIST 7 years later are laughable.

I think the 5th Estate did a much better piece on this subject: The Unofficial Story - which was aired just a couple of weeks ago. Here is the link, where one can watch the documentary and listen to interviews: http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2009-2010/the_unofficial_story/

I would encourage anyone to listen to the interviews with David Ray Griffen and Daniel Sunjata. Then check out AE911truth.org (architects and engineers for 9/11 truth). Anyone that has the ability to look at this issue with an open mind will discover the obvious problems with the official conspiracy theory that was given to us by the Bush Administration.

As a mechanical engineer I have come to the conclusion that planes and fires could not have brought down these buildings in the manner that we watched that tragic day - it is violating too many laws of physics - a gravitational collapse would not look like this. I therefore fully support a new independent, open and transparent investigation into these collapses that is based on science not spin and hear say.

We all should give our head a shake and think about the implications ... if in fact it wasn't true what we were told, that is that 19 Arab hijackers commit these terrible acts. We have soldiers over in Afghanistan that are risking their lives based on a story that doesn't add up. We need to know what really happened and be very sure the story matches facts.

It is shameful to think that we were all asleep on the wheel and got fooled in believing the official story without asking for real proof. It is time to wake up and expose what really happened to those buildings, we owe it to all the people that died that tragic day as well as to all the man, women and children in Afghanistan & Iraq that had to die as a result and that are still dying as we speak.

We need a citizenry that is alert & informed. Unfortunately the media is not doing a good job of this - hence it is our responsibility to do a bit of digging, engage in some critical thinking and use some common sense. There are lots of independent media sources out there that are struggling to be heard. If we don't act I believe 1984 will become our reality - if it hasn't already.

WRS

PS I wished the staff at CBC TV would start to ask the hard questions and keep up the pressure and report the facts not just the half baked corporate spin. CBC Radio is doing a much better job.

Stephen Badhwar wrote:

December 31, 2009 6:54 PM

Here’s the fact Jack

One building disintegrates into rubble:
That’s a fluke.
Two buildings disintegrate:
That’s a near statistical improbability.
Three buildings:
That’s controlled demolition.
Period.

willowlands wrote:

January 5, 2010 6:08 AM

I find that I am actually using critical thinking when I disbelieve the 911 Commission report. One only has to read the the 24page report: " Patriots Question 911" full of retired CIA/FBI etc to see that I am well supported. This document is available on the Scholars For 911 Truth website.

With my own eyes I can see it was a missile that hit the Pentagon. They confiscated all the surrounding hotel tapes of the event and will not release them...there is no conistent turbine (made out of titanium) plane wreckage. The lawn is in pristine shape for such a low entry and the hole is too small. The pilot did not have the skill to make such a sharp low entry hit. Rumsfeld was conveniently on the opposite side of the building. I could go on and on there are so many blatant falsehoods. Isn't it funny they could identify the DNA of the staff, but not of the terrorists? In fact the terrorists were not even on the passenger lists, not even under a bogus name. Besides, 9/12 supposed terrorists have been proven to be alive and well.

It certainly got the Americans to go to war though didn't it? Even as unpopular as it is with the world. There never were any WMD found. And, it certainly got people sufficiently terrorized enough to give up their liberties ie: Patriot Act...they no longer need a warrant to go into your home, and now we're going to be virtually stripped searched at the airports. I saw they can actually see your underwear...shape and style...I think this has gone a bit too far. Not too mention ID, credit cards/passports are being fitted with RFID chips...do what BigBrother says or your cards may be inactivated. They don't need to implant one in your body to control you.

The Bush family had a conflict of interest being in power when they owned an oil company Arbusto Co. The same conflict of interest existed with the executive director of 911 Commision Philip Zelekow, who was formerly on the National Security Council for Bush. Thomas Kean who worked on the commission stated they did not get the materials they needed.

My critical thinking tells me not to believe commission reports without adequate analysis, and when enough experts are saying do it over, then it needs to be done over, for the sake of all those families who lost loved ones, and for the police and firemen that lost their brothers.

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