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Let's All Hate Toronto

October 11, 2007 1:49 PM

More about love than hate, Let's All Hate Toronto is the hilarious barn-burning adventure into Canada's other national pastime - bashing Toronto. The first film ever made on the subject, the filmmakers take the insane approach, sending a "Mister Toronto" across the nation, holding "Toronto Appreciation Days" at his own peril. Canada basically goes berserk. But does Toronto really suck? Or is Canada just afraid of growing up?

Tell us, how do you feel about Canada's biggest city?

Comments

Shawn Dodds wrote:

October 23, 2007 12:31 PM

Saw this at Atlantic Film Festival and truly pissed myself laughing. What breath of fresh air.

Sophie B. wrote:

October 26, 2007 9:01 AM

The commercial hooked me in from the get-go: I'm definitely watching this on Sunday! (I thought I was alone in my feelings towards the T-dot...)

Does anybody know the name or singer of the song that plays during the commercial? It's really funny...

Pamela wrote:

October 26, 2007 12:27 PM

"Or is Canada just afraid of growing up?" Toronto is more adult that the rest of us? Hmm, you mean we in "the regions" [sic] are the children and Toronto is our mom and dad?

Geoff wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:27 PM

Go Leafs Go!

Tony Parker wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:28 PM

How typical...

From the title "Let's All Hate Toronto" one would expect a show about the viewpoints and attitudes from people all around the country and in fact such was delivered, for about 30 minutes...

And just about all the rest that followed was Torontonians blathering on and on about Toronto, proving once again that Toronto's egocentricity knows no bounds.

That's too bad. A great opportunity was missed here...

madaline wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:28 PM

I fully enjoyed this. It was truly hilarious. I want to see more of these documentaries on CBC!

Mike Farough wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:30 PM

If I remember correctly, at about the same time as the quebec icestorms Toronto had a snow storm of its own, (in canada omg who knew) In response to this national disaster (hardly) The mayor of Toronto was able to get the department of defence to use a nearby Armed Forces base's personel to do snow removal duty on the streets of Toronto while these men and womens, husbands, wives and children were left to dig their own city out of the same snow storm. Why was Toronto more important than the CFB Community? Is this the only example of Toronto putting itself before the rest of Canada?

Jean-Louis wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:30 PM

Hated Toronto - watched the flim. - still hate toronto, although less, very entertaining!!

Vince wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:31 PM

"Like any good Torontian, he skipped the priaires" ???? WTF. Having been in T.O alot and now living in the prairies, I can whole heartedly say that some of the best things about Canadians can still be found in the Prairies.

-- A True Canadian

j korn wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:31 PM

If that place wasn't so stiff
and self important,maybe we could love it too

ps my comment can't get posted until it gets approved by someone in toronto

Sher wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:31 PM

Yes, I left Toronto for family. If it weren't for family I'd still be there. You see, Torontonians aren't selfish, stuck up or uptight! Perhaps we carry a bit of the East Coast Attitude.......if you look hard you'll see and hear it.
Toronto is world class, fun, friendly, enthusiastic, caring and extrovert. I took it all with me when I left. I brought it to Victoria and everyone was amazed I was from Toronto.
I love and miss my city. Hope you do too.

Katie wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:31 PM

That was awesome. (I always wondered why my father and my father's father and my father's father's father always hated the Leafs.) I've been indifferent toward Toronto most of my life. I just visited the city for the first time last year and had no beef with it as a city. But the film, halfway through suddenly made me HATE the city. And then by the end I just loved Toronto. I always thought that the country's feelings toward Toronto was more love/hate and that it was just more fun to hate it at any level. Well anyway, thanks for making this film.

Gaelan wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:32 PM

Toronto: The city where I was born. The city where I was raised. The city I look forward to returning.

Montreal: The city where I study Geography and Economics at McGill University.

When I first arrived in Montreal 2 years ago, I was greeted by my peers with ridicule. I had no idea that Canada hated Toronto.

This film confirmed this. I still love Toronto. I always will.

Anonymous wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:33 PM

It is interesting to me that Toronto claims to be the financial bedrock of Canada yet it is the city in the furthest debt. I agree with all the ten reasons why Canada hates Toronto but it is hard to unite a country with such distinct regions that are so far apart in location. In Ontario alone there is a distinct difference between North and South.

What also made me furious was when Toronto used a New York Marketing company to brand the city. Why send hundreds of people in Canada to post secondary institution to learn marketing techniques then high a New York company who knows nothing about Toronto or Canadian values?

That is sad and pathetic. Toronto is also an ugly city and its infrastructure is falling apart. I hope that the people in Generation X, including myself, pay attention to this and make Toronto a city to be proud of and filled with people who are happy not overworked. The point of life is not to work, thats just a false ideal promoted by a once manufacturing based economy. Were more learning based now as education increase. Maybe Toronto should focus on that.

Jon S. wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:33 PM

Just finished watching 'LAHT', and it was very well done. Hope to see it on a DVD soon.

Anyways...why do I hate Toronto...I don't. I have nothing against the city itself or it's population. What I hate are the Leafs...plain an simple. I'm a Habs fan, first an foremost, so it's always frustrating to see TML on television. God forbid, if the Habs get any mention within the first 5-10 min. of a sport's show(unless Toronto didn't play that night...but hey, that excuse seems to be null all the same).

P. W. Hughes wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:34 PM

This doc is a good example of Toronto's constant self-important musing. Mr. Toronto should have easily recognized that when he put this together. It seems as though the city needs a constant stream of positive feedback like a spoiled high school student.

Also, many large cities somehow never made it into the doc - why weren't Winnipeg and Ottawa included? (I saw some footage, but nothing more) - we have a first-class hockey rivalry with T-dot, and the lack of prairie province input is a clear oversight.

What are you afraid of, Mr. Toronto? I'll debate you about Toronto's merits (or lack thereof) any day of the week.

ricky fusob wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:35 PM

I loved this film and I don't hate Toronto; I'm from Windsor, what would be the point?

Randy wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:37 PM

Having been to Toronto, where the impression is that Toronto is the centre and know all is a bit much

Sylvia L. wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:38 PM

For a city as multicultural as Toronto I was disapointed to see that the city was personifide by non other than a white male "Mr. Toronto." It seems that even in one of the world's most multicultural cities the perspectives women and non white males are still not promidently featured. Sad to say this was a very disappointing doc.

TOLUV

Kevin T wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:44 PM

Kudos for the CBC for programming a doc like this, broaching the topic really for the first time. It could have been nasty, but I appreciate that you in the end the film shows respect for all Canadians, even Torontonians.
[Just kidding.]

H.Gill wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:45 PM

hey i thought that the movie was pretty interesting and funny. and I loved how most people really don't know why they hate toronto. However i Had a question, does anyone remember all the reasons people hate toronto. I missed number 5 and its driving me crazy :)

thanks

Adrian D wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:45 PM

Who appointed that guy as 'Mr.Toronto'?

F.Y.I: Among the blue-collared, money grieving, self-centered jerks that live in the city, there are people who like to have fun and do more than just work. All you have to do is find us!

Anonymous wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:46 PM

I loved this show, thank you CBC. I live and work in Toronto, grew up in Vancouver, spent some time in Halifax, and the only place in Canada I couldn't and woudn't spent any time is in the province of Quebec.

Jay wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:47 PM

This is hilarious and is very true! everybody hates the t-dot. I hate it most of the time as well, but where would Canada be without it??

Helena wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:49 PM

I was shocked that hating Toronto was a passtime. I love Canada and that includes every inch of this great country. The documentary was interesting to watch and they did have a light hearted approach to the film.

However, I was appalled at how certain provinces were over looked. NB, PEI, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba were never mentioned in the film except for one comment about how they were skipping the prairies. I am sure I am not alone in saying we have an opinion and it does matter.

Before this documentary I could honestly say I did not love or hate Toronto. Now I think the film showed Toronto as small minded and pointed out that not all provinces are treated equal. Now that Sucks. I love my little province. Go New Brunswick!

Jennifer wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:50 PM

How many Torontonians actually stated their opinions in this documentary? I am aware of the bashing and it has been a topic of discussion for me in the past 7 years I've been here.

But to me, and to those I know, we love Toronto. Why? I'm/we're happy here. I work hard because I'm ambitious. I don't have money becasue I spend it all enjoying myself on nice dinners, at festivals, conventions, shows etc. You can do anything, see anything and be anything in Toronto!

So what if we support a team that doesn't really ever win. That's devotion, that's love, that's what a city is supposed to do! Support itself and it's teams! Who cares if the rest of the world hates us, we have enough love here :D

So for those of you who hate Toronto, get another hobby. And if you are really that bored and need to bash us, maybe it's your city that sucks :P

Grace wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:51 PM

i always thought toronto is color of grey, and what is up with rosedale thing is it really the best place to live in toronto?

Jeannie wrote:

October 28, 2007 11:55 PM

Toronto Rocks

Casey M. wrote:

October 29, 2007 12:02 AM

I absolutely love Toronto. The city has a lot to offer everyone. I love love love that there is so much to do: festivals/parades -jazz downtown & beaches, gay pride, caribana, film festival, beer fest, taste of Danforth, nuit blanche etc. etc.

The jobs are plentiful, there is something going on every night of the week, there is something for every type of personality. You can find a restaurant open late!
There are a lot of free things for people to do. There is something for everyone.
All Canadian Cities are great in their own way.

I think until you live in the city of Toronto, you really can't appreciate it for what it really is:
A city with a lot of life.

Natalie Markiewicz wrote:

October 29, 2007 12:04 AM

The doc was definitely hilarious. Oblivious or not, I don't care if the rest of Canada hates Toronto or not; all Canadian cities have their own differences. However, I'm proud of Toronto and what it represents, just like any other young adult living in their city or town.

Mike wrote:

October 29, 2007 12:06 AM

Ridiculous film, I liked it, pretty tongue-in-cheek most of the time. Having grown up in Hamilton, went to school in Waterloo and now live and work in Toronto it was pretty entertaining.

It is pretty ridiculous the comments from some people around the country towards Toronto - I do know not every Canadian shares that common belief though obviously - however there's always going to be a city people dislike/hate in each country, and in Canada that'll always be Toronto!

David S wrote:

October 29, 2007 12:52 AM

This doc was perfect! Even here in Ontario people hate Toronto. They hate it because it represents everything they fear: massive population, ethnic enclaves, traffic, and urbanism. I love Toronto cause everyone hates it but we Torontonians could not care less about everyone else because they don't match up on any level! If it was up to Toronto it would be its own country, but more realistically, its own province! i think we should leave it up to the people of toronto to brand and define toronto, not the politicians and the corporate world! (i'm originally from toronto)

Murray wrote:

October 29, 2007 1:48 AM

I love Toronto. I'm a BC boy born and raised but I lived three years in Toronto and loved it. I find that a lot of people hate Toronto and they have never even been there. That's ridiculous and ignorant.

If there is a city to hate in Canada (and its tragic that there is) it's Vancouver!! The people here are sullen, cliquey, unfriendly philistines. Vancouver has no culture and is full of undeserved self-importance. I hate Vancouver!!!

anonymous wrote:

October 29, 2007 2:28 AM

I loved this documentary! As a flight attendant that has been around the country many many times, I really feel the sentiment of how much Canadians hate Toronto. Of all the Canadian cities I have lived in, I have never loved a city as much as I love Toronto and as Mr.Toronto found out, you get dirty looks when you say you're from Toronto until I say I grew up in Ottawa and Calgary.

Maybe it's better if everyone hates us, if they loved us then they would all come here and our real estate prices would go up exponentially, we wouldn't have the unifying "us against the rest" mentality and we wouldn't have this documentary! Tell Mr. Toronto that there are tons of Toronto lovers out there, we just keep it hush hush so not everyone else is in on our little "toronto really is fabulous" secret.

Hari Seshadri wrote:

October 29, 2007 2:31 AM

being a torontonian..this movie was both the weirdest doc ive seen as well as a pretty funny one. I went thru a whole emotional rollercoaster while watching it with different opinions about my own city as time went on but in the end .. screw everyone.. Toronto is the greatest city in the world :D .. ah don't u love torontonians

Brian wrote:

October 29, 2007 2:32 AM

Well who DID`NT see a happy ending to this one from a mile away . I was born in Toronto , and am convinced now , more than ever , that indeed Toronto DOES suck .

Rick wrote:

October 29, 2007 2:32 AM

Entertaining documentary.
I've traveled across Canada and never understood the animosity some displayed toward Toronto. To me Toronto is home. It is where I'm comfortable. It's not everyone's choice though.

Ben Gregoire wrote:

October 29, 2007 2:37 AM

What a great documentary! I have always wanted to see how other Canadians view Toronto and thankfully I am not alone..My big reason for hating "the center of the universe" -- THE LEAFS, and Bob Cole and Harry Neale, I think I speak on behalf of most anti-leaf fans that we are tired of seeing the Leafs every Saturday on HNIC!!

Tim M. wrote:

October 29, 2007 3:22 AM

I stumbled onto this show totally by accident, as I don't watch alot of CBC television, but this was a spectacularly funny film. I had to admit, as one who doesn't particularly "like" T.O., I don't hate it either. The appearance of Joey "Shithead" Keithley was a bonus too.
Now if the CBC would just comission me to do a "Why Canadian tv doesn't suck (as much as it used to)".

Michael Leblanc wrote:

October 29, 2007 11:40 AM

I wasn't surprised by what I saw here. I've lived in Toronto for the past seven years, visited it my whole life. I lived in Victoria/Vancouver for five years, am out here visiting now in fact. It always amazes me how people form such a firm and negative opinion about a place they have never been.

It amuses me when I say I'm from Toronto. There's a palpable pause while the other party audibly bites their tongue.

Toronto is a city of diverse neighbourhoods and to say its denizens have a unified temperment is moronic.

I think it boils down to good old fashioned ignorance and jealousy.

And I agree with the person here who said Vancouver sucks - such an undeserved air of self-righteousness I have never seen but in Van.

Some facts - Vancouver's crime rate is nearly double that of Toronto,,,traffic there is beyond horrendous because it flows THROUGH the city instead of around it on expressways...the transit system is a joke, the homeless are everywhere, it rains for nearly six months straight. I could go on.

Anybody who has actually spent some real time in Toronto, I mean gone around the city to a meaningful degree, would not hate it.

Joshua Valley wrote:

October 29, 2007 12:51 PM

I moved to toronto for 5 years with the company I work for and obtained the email addressed TORONTOSUCKS@?????.COM for a reason. Super glad to be out of your city of filth, crime and uncaring. Nothing more needs to be said. Toronto Sucks Period.

Guy M wrote:

October 29, 2007 1:32 PM

So here is a clear example of a national media program on CBC that is really focused on a Toronto issue. Today (October 29th , 2007) Sheila Rogers spent a complete section of her program on the increase in land transfer taxes in the 416 area of Toronto. This is at best an Ontario topic and more an issue for GTA ...so what is it doing on a nationally broadcast program?

This GTA media focus is mentioned in the film and well just turn on any Canadian network and one sees it with the exception of local programming. Time after time national air time is dealing with issues in Toronto or the GTA like it applies to the nation. Please spare us your municipal issues and we will in kind do the same.

I don't hate Toronto , I even like some aspects of the city but I think this constant media noise in and about the city within a national audience simply helps build the points of view the film outlines.

As for the Leafs , well their record speaks on its own :-)

John wrote:

October 29, 2007 1:54 PM

Watched the documentary last night....pretty good for the first half. I noticed that not only were the Prairies skipped, but so was the rest of Ontario. Typical Toronto attitude. Take the rest of the peasant masses who do not live at the center of the universe's opinions for granted.

Of course we must love you. Do we not send you our taxes so the politicians can buy 905 and 416 Toronto votes with our money? Are we not gifted with being force fed Leafs hockey for generations when there are Canadian teams that actually make the playoffs and play in the Stanley Cup finals? Do you not send us your garbage to bury in landfills around the province because you refuse to deal with your own municipal issues in your own region?
The ten reasons the ROC hates TO were right on.

M. Steele wrote:

October 29, 2007 2:32 PM

To love Toronto is like loving the local waste transfer site. I have been to Toronto many times and never see it any differently.

I have lived many places in Canada and Toronto would be the last pick for sure. It's a dirty and scummy city with little heritage or diversity as everyone from their claims. The self-arrogance is disgusting. The leafs aren't exactly hated for the team that they are. The leafs are hated for their arrogant and moronic fans. For the most part they have little knowledge on the NHL as they are too wrapped up in their year by year sub-par team.

For anyone to think (from Toronto) that they are any better than the rest of the country is ridiculous. Ottawa is criticized on a daily basis. Why? It's beyond me and many others. So what, it's the capital. Rightfully so.

Toronto doesn't deserve that type of title at all. Toronto leads the country primarily in negative statistics. Illegal immigrants, murders, shootings, stabbings, theft, poverty etc..... Ottawa in about every way I can think of is a much nicer community to live in and safer to raise a family.

Keep your "multiculturalism", please please do, and keep your "diversity" which is ONLY self-claimed. Remember one thing you moronic Torontonians, you rely on the rest of the country for the majority of the resources produced in Canada. All Toronto produces is gun wielding kids, drugs, higher taxes for the country (due to claiming all that money) and self-arrogance which gives all the REAL Canadians something to laugh upon. There is no jealousy of Toronto, only shame by most who see the city really for what it is.

Josh wrote:

October 29, 2007 3:00 PM

Great job fella's!! Way to skip some key provinces in the country. Proves the ignorance. Where was PEI in this?? Toronto could learn alot from my home-province.

And this garbage of Toronto being highlighted all over sports is getting ridiculous. The majority of Canada is sickened by the Leafs. CBC why don't you think to broadcast actual primetime games? Stop being bias thinking Toronto is Canada's team because it just isn't. Plain and simple. Many would rather see Ottawa in the spotlight, or Montreal in the early spots.

Keep the leafs to leafs region of TORONTO, not Hamilton, London, Niagara, etc.... Or give us the choice between channels. TSN, Sportsnet and Leafs TV (hahahahaha) gives them enough of a spotlight. The NFL doesn't key in on any one team for Sunday and Monday night games. CBC represents the COUNTRY and not only Toronto just as NBC, CBS, and FOX represent the US. Stop being so bias. This is why CBC has been losing ratings all along. Lame tv shows, and lame hockey games early Saturday nights unless Ottawa, Calgary, Vancouver, Edmonton or Montreal happen to be playing the gay-pride leafs. Really get with the times.

And to the Torontonians. The country isn't jealous or envious of you. We envy that you have the murders and gun problems, not us, we envy that you have the dirtiest, scummiest city (below Hamilton), not us and we envy the fact that your self-arrogance is the only thing that stands out to this country. You love Toronto, we get it. Still doesn't mean it's anything good.

Kim wrote:

October 29, 2007 3:29 PM

I saw the documentary and loved it! It was great to see Canadian's views on Toronto with a comical twist.

I have to say though, I can't believe how peoiple in Canada hold such animosity towards our biggest city. All of the world's major cities have major problems, but that doesn't mean that they should be hated. I've been fortunate enough to travel extensively in the world, and I can tell you that Toronto may not be the best of the best as far as cities go, but if you compare it to other cities of similar size (especially in North America), it's a pretty great place.

Why are Canadian's so jealous? I live in Winnipeg, and I'm not about to say that "Winnipeg is waay better than Toronto". Because it's not. Each Canadian city has it's own culture and attractions, and each of them are very different.

Oh yeah, Calgary sucks!

Gary T wrote:

October 29, 2007 4:45 PM

It's rare you see a doc that makes you laugh so hard you need to go some fancy Toronto spa to have a temple massage. Way to go CBC, even if you are headquartered you know where!

O.J. wrote:

October 29, 2007 6:50 PM

I saw the doc last night and found it to be hilarious. What is disturbing is some of the comments on this discussion site.

Canada and the rest of the world love Toronto as they keep moving here in droves. For those who hate Toronto, blame the media not Toronto. Toronto is what it is, the largest city in the country.

My parents came to this country in the 60's spending a year in Halifax but eventually came to this city for the opportunity for themselves and their children. I have lived and worked in many places both in and outside of Canada and Toronto is not perfect but if it is as bad as others make it out to be, why do people from inside and outside Canada keep coming and making a life here?

Canada should be proud of Toronto and what it has accomplished and not be so small minded. Toronto certainly does not hate the rest of Canada!

On another note (see M.Steele) to those ill-informed, this is not crime capital of Canada. To name a few cities with higher crime rates in order: Regina, Saskatoon, Vancouver, Victoria, Winnipeg, Halifax, Thunder bay, London, Edmonton, Calgary, Windsor, Sudbury, St. John's, Hamilton, St. Catharines-Niagrara, Hull, Saint John, Kitchener, Sherbrooke, and then Toronto.(see statscan.ca)

We look forward to seeing you soon Canada. Remember Envy is one of the 7 deadly sins, but I suppose so is Pride:)

Curtis B wrote:

October 29, 2007 7:13 PM

Dissappointing documentry. Didn't really show the thought and views of actual Torontonians. Though I hate the Leafs and their moronic fans, at least they aren't bandwagon jumpers like most of the other Canadian teams. Canucks, Oilers, Flames and Senators all had financial woes when the teams weren't so hot. Where was the love then?

People hate Toronto because of the crime? Per capita Vancouver and Edmonton have higher crime rates.

As a minority I feel safe eating out and enjoying myself in Toronto something that might be ruined in other Canadian cities such as Edmonton or Calgary. I rather live with souless workaholics than racist hicks that inhabit Alberta. One.

Trubador wrote:

October 29, 2007 8:17 PM

I was not born there, and as a child shared small town envy, that I felt in the town around me, of all that Toronto represented. I visited as an teen and was fascinated by the magnitude of what "is". I realized that my feelings where not based on fact.

I moved there and lived in Toronto for a few years, after which my work took me elsewhere. I have lived and visited many other cities in the whole country. I find some of the comments about this program to be amusing if not pathetic.

1) this is a program about "Toronto" so it might just have people talking about the subject. It's not egocentric any more than a show about you would be about - wow - you.... I fell in love with Toronto, for the charm and modesty that I found there. I noticed that it had it's share of problems but there where problems in my home town and other cities that I visited and didn't find that reason to hate Toronto.

I have never heard anybody from Toronto bashing any other people or place in the country. I remember one time I took the bus to go through Toronto and heard two young men in the seat behind me talking about the city they were going to visit. It was snowing and a dirty grey sky covered the streetscape. One said to the other, "My dad said I'd hate Toronto, and I can tell I will, just looking at it like that, look at it. I'm gonna hate this place so bad."

Ironically, it looked like the same sky, the same snow, the same asphalt streets and people with the same aspect as Maritimers, Westerners, and others from elsewhere in Canada. In fact statistics say that there is a very high chance that the "Torontonians" that he looked at and hated so freely, were others from elsewhere (53% of Torontonians are not even born in Canada).
Toronto haters spout off about hating the Leafs, or the time given to Toronto on CBC.

And the relationship of this to the city is......? I don't remember hearing about Torontonians complaining regarding DaVinci's Vancouver based show, Montreal's Just for Laughs, etc. etc. etc. There's a lot to love in Toronto, as much as in any other community. How pretensious of us to think that our individual home towns are each good but that the the home of Torontonians offends us.

Myself, I have fond memories of my time in Toronto, and I have returned and even converted friends and family to my way of thinking about this place. We went together and I let them discover what they wanted, serving as simple guide. I miss it, and wish I could visit more often. It may have problems but rest assured I live in a city that doesn't shy away from strutting and boasting about it's "joie de vivre" etc etc and yet, as far as I can see, there's a lot of PR and stuffing, in the end, the real values of community are as solidly installed in Toronto, as I feel here, "away". I love yo'TO.

Art Taylor wrote:

October 30, 2007 12:09 AM

Not exactly educational, but entertaining. The part when he's instructing the designer to change the font so it will be more "world class" cracked me up (the whole ongoing discussion about whether the city is world class or not is pretty meaningless, if you ask me).

I've always found it odd how people aren't satisfied unless they have something to complain about, whether it's the rest of Canada griping about Toronto, or Torontonians griping about the US, or what have you. It doesn't even matter to people whether any of it's true or not. One example: one reason often given for hating Toronto is that it's supposedly the murder capital of the country, even though the murder rate (per capita) is slightly below the national average and has been for the last 40 years--don't believe me? Look it up.

If you like wherever you live more than Toronto, good! Be happy. I don't care which is the number one city--or hockey team, for that matter.

Will wrote:

October 30, 2007 2:25 AM

Every year the city of Toronto (not even the GTA, which gets an even worse deal) send anywhere from 6-12 billion$ to either both provincial and federal gov'ts. None of this money ever comes back to Toronto, it goes to subsidize programs in any province that isnt alberta.

Toronto residents (esp. in the GTA) receive up to 20% less health care, infrastructure and education funding than their counterparts elsewhere. All this said, Toronto is where 40% of all immigrants in Canada settle. All of these things said, one would expect Toronto to be some crack riddled ghetto, but statistics show that it is one of the safest cities in Canada, by any measure, even drug use is lower in T.O. than in the rest of Canada.

Obviously these things dont in and of themselves make Toronto a great city, but it is puzzling to Torontonians, who do shoulder an unreasonable tax burden, that despite doing soo much for the country, we are constantly ridiculed.

Does T.O. have problems? clearly but to complain about traffic in a city that is the center of the largest industrial region in Canada and the 5th largest in N.A. is just plain ridiculous. Toronto is a city, bigger than most provinces, we cant all afford to have a backyard, and comparing Toronto to P.E.I. or any other "region" of Canada is just ludicrous.

As for the Leafs, it is ridiculous that they never win. But, sad to say for Edmonton, there are more important things to a city. Toronto has an Opera house, the largest museums in the country, one of the largest film festivals in the world, the largest university in Canada, i could go on ad nauseum, but i think my point is clear. If you think that a hockey team is the most important aspect of a city, you are just re-enforcing the idea that the rest of Canada is a cultural wasteland.

greg wrote:

October 30, 2007 11:57 AM

Most people don't hate Toronto itself so much... it's an ok city, more reminiscent of Chicago than New York, really.
The problem lies in two attitudes that many Torontonians carry.

The first is what William Gibson called "Toronto's studied pretentiousness", hence the "centre of the universe" gags. This seems to come from the idea that Toronto is some kind of colonial headquarters while the rest of the country are merely territories to be sucked dry.

The second is the "love me" attitude. Just like an individual, any city desperate to be loved will wind up being hated. Say what you want about Halifax, Calgary, Vancouver... people who live in these cities feel that if you love them, great! If you don't love them, that's your problem...

John wrote:

October 31, 2007 2:18 AM

Born and raised in Montreal, moved to T.O. for university.
I've accepted my Love/Hate relationship with the city and learned Toronto is what it is. Its got its problems, but it works. And to confirm some earlier sentiments... Leafs suck!

Alx wrote:

November 1, 2007 9:54 AM

Unfortunately I was out of the country and missed the film but having read the comments I look forward to seeing it at some point. As a 'new Canadian' I'm a little bewildered at the cultural dynamic that seems to revolve around Toronto. Outside of Canada Toronto barely gets noticed - SARS apart (it could even be argued that SARS put Toronto on the map). Sadly, Canada lacks a world class city - Toronto certainly isn't one but it should be - it has the potential but chooses to wallow in it's own parochial image. Now that Toronto's CN Tower - self described 'Wonder of the World' is no longer the world's tallest building one wonders where to from here - almost the world's tallest building in almost a world class city?

Brian Yao wrote:

November 1, 2007 12:03 PM

What I've found most interesting from reading all these comments is that the most articulate people from all over the country had positive things to say about Toronto. Those with negative feelings consisted of a lot of slander and immaturity.

I'm not overly concerned about who hates my city and who loves it, so much as I'm more interested in how we can make this country better. There's no point to this squabbling over which city is better. This is a great nation and I'm proud to say I'm Canadian. When I travel to different parts of the world, I don't go around telling people I'm from Toronto. I'm a Canadian, that's what I tell them.

Cate wrote:

November 1, 2007 12:04 PM

I do not hate Toronto - in fact grew up there. However, was lucky in that maritimers all thought I was one of them when I lived there (thereby proving that even "uppidy canadians" could have redeeming qualities).

I was disappointed in "Mr Toronto's" poor research into religious - particularly Episcopal (concerning Bishop's) - formalities. Bishop Strachan did not sigh "John Toronto" because of his ego, but because his name was John, and he was Bishop of Toronto. Likewise did Augustine of Canterbury, Ambrose of Milan, Charles (Inglis) of Nova Scotia, as have all the thousands of other Bishops in the Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran churches signed since the time of Peter of Rome (Jesus' disciple). Really a bit shoddy on the filmmaker's part!

Chris F wrote:

September 16, 2008 10:40 PM

Most people in Toronto are great. I lived in Ontario for 9 years and enjoyed it. I think the rest of Canada gets frustrated because we are ignored. Living in Nova Scotia and constantly hearing on the news about Eastern Canada and realizing that anything past Toronto doesn't exist is crazy. Torontonians complain about the price of food and groceries and yet those iitems are more expensive in the rest of Canada. We only get the royalties from the off-shore drilling, and Toronto businesses keep the rest. Toronto may have tall buildings and the CN Tower....the rest of Canada has trees and breathable air.

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