To truly understand the late Hugo Chavez's legacy, you need to start with his hero Simon Bolivar, the Venezuelan national hero who led the movement against Spanish colonialism. Brent speaks with New Yorker magazine staff writer Jon Lee Anderson about his own encounters with Chavez, and what Bolivar means to the Venezuelan people. Bolivar family descendant Thor Halvorssen, founder of The Human Rights Foundation, discusses Chavez's exhumation of Bolivar's remains and why he believes Chavez is no Bolivar. Read Jon Lee Anderson's recent report on the slums of Caracas at The New Yorker.