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Highlights Include:

Part One:

* Huawei: Shields. A former Nortel investigator blames Ottawa for failing to act when he warned them Chinese spies were plundering the secrets of a high tech giant.
* Kenya - Canada Lawsuit. Hundreds of girls are marching on the Kenyan High Court to demand protection from police they say are failing them.

Part Two:

* Shock Therapy Doctor. A Calgary psychiatrist on trial for alleged sexually abuse of patients, is also accused of using shock therapy to "cure" gays during the Apartheid era in South Africa.
* River Phoenix Director. Two decades after River Phoenix's death, the director of his final film gives the movie its premiere.

Part Three:

* Mali Women Targeted. The UN assistant secretary general for human rights is concerned that Islamists in Mali are compiling lists of the country's women.
* The universe's most sparkly planet. Astronomers believe that "55 Cancri-e", discovered in 2005, is made mostly of diamonds.


Show:AS_IT_HAPPENS
Date:2012/10/11
Time:17:30:01

THURSDAY BILLS Duration: 00:01:41

Tonight:

Making connections. Amid controversy over the trustworthiness of the tech company Huawei, a one-time investigator for Nortel warns that Canada should have nothing to do with the Chinese telecom industry.

They went to him fragile -- and came out shattered. A psychiatrist faces allegations that he sexually assaulted ten patients in Alberta -- and that he committed human rights abuses in South Africa.

Neither serving nor protecting. In Kenya, hundreds of girls want the police to actually investigate rape cases they've ignored -- and they're asking the country's High Court to make that happen.

Catch a fallen star. When River Phoenix died, it looked like his last film would never be released -- but after almost twenty years, that film is finally being screened.

It wasn't the fastest discovery -- but it might be the facetedest. Astronomers believe they've discovered a planet that's made mostly of diamond.

And...disaster for recipe. Beer nerds freak out when the formula depicted in a commercial turns out not to actually be the formula to make the beer being advertised.

As It Happens, the Thursday edition. Radio that's not sure a brewery will ever share its recipe on TV -- but you may as well get your hops up.


HUAWEI: BRIAN SHIELDS Duration: 00:08:27

"Manageable." That's how one former Canadian spy boss is describing the threat posed by Huawei.

The Chinese tech giant has been in the news since Monday, when the United States House Intelligence Committee described the company as a security risk. They called on the U-S to block business between Huawei and sensitive U-S companies.

Brian Shields says that Canada should be making moves to manage its own risk.

Mr. Shields is a former network security investigator for Nortel. When we spoke with him in February, he told us that he had found evidence that the defunct Canadian tech giant was being hacked for years. His prime suspect: China.

We reached Brian Shields in Santee, South Carolina.


CASSANDRA'S WALTZ Duration: 00:00:22
Album:EDGAR MEYER & CHRIS THILE/EDGAR MEYER & CHRIS THILE
Label:NONESUCH
Persons/Roles:
EDGAR MEYER - COMPOSER
CHRIS THILE - COMPOSER
EDGAR MEYER - DOUBLE BASS
CHRIS THILE - MANDOLIN

KENYA-CANADA LAWSUIT Duration: 00:06:48

They're going over the heads of the people who are supposed to protect them.

Today, dozens of girls marched on the Constitutional High Court of Kenya today to ask for protection. All of them have been raped. And some are as young as three years old.

They say Kenyan police have consistently, and in many cases willfully, failed to protect them from sexual assault. So they're asking the High Court to force police to respect both the law and their rights.

Fiona Sampson is a Canadian lawyer and executive director of The Equality Effect. She is representing the girls. We reached her in Meru, Kenya.


REQUIEM FOR ANNA Duration: 00:00:31
Album:MONSIEUR GAINSBOURG REVISITED
Label:BARCLAY, 000031
Persons/Roles:
SERGE GAINSBOURG - COMPOSER
ANNABELLE TATHUM - ADAPTOR/LYRICIST
PORTISHEAD - POP GROUP

TALKBACK: AUSSIE PM JULIA GILLARD Duration: 00:00:33

It was the best of speeches, it was the worst of speeches. Or, at least, the most divisive of speeches.

Last night, we played you part of what Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard said to the country's Opposition leader, Tony Abbott, during a debate over removing the Speaker of the House from his post.

Speaker Peter Slipper's job was at stake over a series of crude text messages he sent about women.

Here, again, is part of what Prime Minister Gillard said to Mr. Abbott.


EMAIL: AUSSIE PM Duration: 00:01:47

Her speech has prompted reaction around the world. Millions of people have watched the speech online. Many have applauded her forceful words. But others have called the speech a crass political maneuver.

Talkback was equally divided.

Kenneth Sooley in Ottawa sent this note:

"Before all of us progressive, pro-human-rights types trip all over ourselves applauding this woman for taking such a strong stand against Tony Abbott's numerous misogynist comments, let us not forget that less than a month ago, she stood with Mr. Abbott in defeating a bill which would have legalized same-sex marriage in Australia."

That's from Kenneth Sooley in Ottawa.

And here's what Linden Deathe, a Canadian living in Melbourne, had to say.

"You just played a clip of Julia Gillard giving an impassioned rant against Tony Abbott's sexism, misogyny and hypocrisy. I am so disappointed that there was no discussion.

"I understand that some might think her speech speaks for itself, but I think it has greater meaning, and the lack of discussion feels almost dismissive. What she did was huge and it would have taken great personal strength. Sure, she will reap political rewards as her popularity skyrockets, but we don't see other female politicians doing what she did. I want to hear about the world's reaction. I want sexism to be acknowledged. I want women who speak out against it to have their voice heard without eye rolling and 'here we go again' comments."

That e-mail comes from Linden Deathe in Melbourne.

We tried to reach several political commentators in Australia today, but the fifteen-hour time difference got in our way.


FAILING THE CARIBOU Duration: 00:06:51

Last night we brought you the story about a proposal to put endangered northern Alberta caribou in pens inside the oilsands region, as a way to save and protect them. And we'll some of your thoughts about that idea later in the program.

Tonight, the story of another group of caribou. Most of them dead.

The provincial government in British Columbia tried to relocate a group of nineteen Mountain Caribou from northern B.C. to southeast B.C. -- but the relocation has ended in failure.

Bob Keating is a CBC reporter. He's in Nelson, British Columbia.


SHOCK THERAPY DOCTOR Duration: 00:07:16

He's a psychiatrist accused of abuses here in Canada, and in South Africa.

Dr. Aubrey Levin is currently on trial in Calgary for allegedly sexually abusing ten male patients.

Dr. Levin immigrated to Canada in the mid-nineties from South Africa. During the apartheid era, Dr. Levin was a colonel with the South African military -- and for his work there, he's accused of human-rights abuses tied to his use of shock therapy.

Chris McGreal writes for The Guardian newspaper. He has followed the story of Dr. Levin for more than a decade. We reached Chris McGreal in Portland, Oregon.


GOES NOWHERE Duration: 00:02:45
Album:SPANISH WAITER/HOPKINS, MIKE
Label:CUSTOM
Persons/Roles:
MIKE HOPKINS - COMPOSER
RYAN FAIRHEAD - PRODUCER
MIKE HOPKINS - GUITAR
MIKE HOPKINS - PRODUCER

EMAIL: BLUE-ARSED FLY Duration: 00:02:22

They know all about ladybugs. And common house flies. But they not so sure why there's a blue-arsed fly. And neither am I.

Which is why earlier this week, we put the buzz out about a public appeal from the editors of the Oxford English Dictionary. They're seeking information on the origins of the term "blue-arsed fly".

Well, a few of you took a swat at an answer.

Sean Hughes, of Angus, Ontario, posted the following comment on our website:

"Hi Carol and Jeff -- regarding the blue-arsed fly: I recall a similar phrase from the novel 'Sometimes a Great Notion', by Ken Kesey. The protagonist is accosted by a group of thuggies who spoke a language that ended with a word or syllable rhyming with the intended word. When our good guy figured this out and had to make a getaway, he said 'well, blue-tail fly', which means 'goodbye'. I think this is still quite popular in parts of Britain.

"And, as a blue bottle fly is one of the first arrivals to death, or to blood, it could be a long goodbye."

Thanks to Sean Hughes, Angus, Ontario for that comment on our webpage.

We also heard from Joe Gripp, from somewhere in Cape Breton, who sent us the following email:

"Greetings, I am sixty-three years young. I remember my mother using the phrase 'You're runnin' around like a blue-arse fly'.

That was in the nineteen-fifties. My great-grandparents came from Ireland, by way of Newfoundland. I was brought up in a coal mining town in Cape Breton. We are quite familiar with the phrase 'blue-arse fly' here.

"'Busy as a blue-arse fly' meant you had ambition. 'Runnin' around like a blue-arse fly' was less of a compliment. It meant you had no direction.

"Thanks -- I can't stay much longer. I'm runnin' around like a blue-arse fly, tryin' to get things organized."

Thanks for those emails. And remember, if you've got something to say, you can let it fly 'til you're blue in the...face. Call Talkback at 1-866-481-5718. Or email us at aih@cbc.ca.


DIRTY SPOON RAG Duration: 00:00:22
Album:COTTONWOOD MOON/RAKISH ANGLES
Label:CUSTOM, RA 1106
Persons/Roles:
SERENA EADES - COMPOSER
RAKISH ANGLES - FOLK GROUP
RAKISH ANGLES - PRODUCER
COURTNEY WING - PRODUCER

RIVER PHOENIX DIRECTOR Duration: 00:08:26

George Sluizer has resurrected a film from the dead.

On the evening of October thirtieth, 1993, the Dutch director was returning to his Los Angeles hotel. He had nearly completed photography on his latest project, Dark Blood. On his way into the hotel, Mr Sluizer ran into his young lead. They spoke briefly and went their separate ways.

The actor was twenty-two-year-old River Phoenix. And fans know what happened next: within hours, the Stand By Me star would be dead of a drug overdose.

The uncompleted film became a Hollywood footnote. Until now. Dark Blood premiered earlier this month at the Netherlands Film Festival.

We reached George Sluizer in Amsterdam.


REVERIE EPHEMERE Duration: 00:00:14
Album:SUR LE TOIT DES VOISINS/GADJI-GADJO
Label:MANGE-TA-MAIN, MTMGG002
Persons/Roles:
JEAN-SEBASTIEN LEBLANC - COMPOSER
GADJI-GADJO - FOLK ENSEMBLE
GADJI-GADJO - INSTRUMENTAL ENSEMBLE
GADJI-GADJO - PRODUCER
ROBERT LANGLOIS - PRODUCER

SCRIPT: BEER RECIPE Duration: 00:02:13

One time I made up a drink -- a drink so glorious that everyone who tasted it practically wept when it hit their tongues. It was so good, and so well-received, that I decided then and there to keep the recipe a secret.

That may seem ungenerous, but I thought that drink was going to make me a lot of money. And it would have, too, if I hadn't consumed so much of the drink that I forgot what I'd put in it.

Well, for a hundred-and-ninety-two years now, Alexander Keith's brewery in Halifax has been making Alexander Keith's India Pale Ale, following a recipe created by Alexander Keith. And that recipe is kept secret, for obvious reasons: if you could make your own Alexander Keith's-style beer, you wouldn't need to buy Keith's.

So beer aficionados were surprised by a recent TV ad, featuring a shot of an old-looking hand-written recipe, accompanied by the text, "It began as one man's personal recipe..."

Now, these aficionados naturally assumed that a company owned by the largest brewery in Canada, which is in turn owned by the largest brewery in the world, would share the recipe for its best-selling beer with the world, on television. So the aficionados were shocked and disgusted when they carefully examined screen shots of the recipe -- and found out that the hops specified in the commercial recipe weren't even around when Alexander Keith started his brewery.

It wasn't the real recipe for Keith's!

A spokesperson for Labatt attempted to clarify things, and almost managed it, by explaining, quote:

"This was a depiction of a recipe meant to be symbolic of a recipe for illustrated purposes in a television commercial."

Unquote.

The spokesperson went on to apologize -- the recipe in the ad had been taken from the web, and used without permission.

So there you go: shoddy work by an ad agency, and excessively thorough work by obsessive beer fans. I would've expected that to be the other way around.

But then again, here's some pretty thorough work by some classic beer fans: this is Teenage Head, with "Teenage Beer Drinking Party".


TEENAGE BEER DRINKIN' PARTY Duration: 00:01:36
Album:DOUBLE HEADER/TEENAGE HEAD
Label:ATTIC, ACD 24101
Persons/Roles:
FRANK KERR - COMPOSER
GORD LEWIS - COMPOSER
STEVE MAHON - COMPOSER
NICK STIPANITZ - COMPOSER
BRIAN CHRISTIAN - PRODUCER
TEENAGE HEAD - POP GROUP

TAPE: OTTAWA JAIL BABY Duration: 00:04:26

For Julie Bilotta, the birth of her first child was anything but beautiful.

Ms. Bilotta, who's facing drug and fraud charges, was in custody at the Ottawa-Carleton Detention Centre when she went into labour before her due date. Ms. Bilotta was having a breech birth, which involves risks for both mother and child.

Eventually, she delivered a son, Gionni Lee. But she alleges that the treatment she received from prison staff was negligent, at best.

Kim Hurtubise is Julie Bilotta's mother. She spoke with CBC Ottawa reporter Julie Ireton yesterday about what she says happened inside the detention centre. And I'll warn you: her remarks are emotionally raw.


FOR THE WIDOWS IN PARADISE, FOR THE FATHERLESS IN YPSILANTI Duration: 00:00:26
Album:MICHIGAN/STEVENS, SUFJAN
Label:ASTHMATIC KITTY, AKR007
Persons/Roles:
SUFJAN STEVENS - COMPOSER
SUFJAN STEVENS - PRODUCER
SUFJAN STEVENS - VOCALS

MALI WOMEN TARGETED Duration: 00:07:59

On Tuesday, a fourteen-year-old girl in Pakistan was shot for challenging the Taliban. And today, Islamic militants in Mali are compiling lists of women who violate Sharia law.

The West African country has been dealing with widespread instability for almost a year, with a rebellion and a military coup. Islamist groups have used this time to seize control in the north of the country, where they are curtailing the freedoms of the local people -- forcing many to flee. And those who stay are under tight surveillance.

Single women who are pregnant, or have children out of wedlock, are key targets.

These are just some of the findings of Ivan ŠimonoviU+0107. He's the United Nations' Assistant Secretary-General for Human Rights, and he's just returned from four days spent assessing the political state of Mali.

We reached Ivan ŠimonoviU+0107 in New York.


BALLAD OF THE RAA Duration: 00:00:30
Album:HOMETOWNS/RURAL ALBERTA ADVANTAGE
Label:CUSTOM, JD001
Persons/Roles:
PAUL BANWATT - COMPOSER
AMY COLE - COMPOSER
NILS EDENLOFF - COMPOSER
RURAL ALBERTA ADVANTAGE - POP GROUP

TALKBACK: PENNING CARIBOU Duration: 00:03:09

Strange times call for even stranger solutions.

The federal government is proposing putting the wild caribou in Alberta's oilsands region into confined areas. Pens. To protect them. Apparently.

Last night, Carol spoke with Stan Boutin, an expert on population ecology at the University of Alberta, who explained penning up caribou was in their best interest.

But Talkback refused to be fenced in.


EMAIL Duration: 00:01:00

Thank you for those calls. And we also received this email from Ian Huggett in Chelsea, Quebec.

"The university biologist advocating penning Northern Alberta Caribou within regions of intense industrial oil and gas development bases his arguments on the assumption that society places greater value on resource exploitation than on wildlife conservation. I challenge this assumption.

"Rather than adjusting the habitat, forcing wildlife to adjust to our ever-expanding industrial enterprise, we should take stock of our northern developments' profound impact on existing species which call Alberta's landscape home. Once biologists -- advocates for the sanctity of the natural world -- adopt a world-view that the rest of animate creation comes second to human exploitation, commerce and greed, we have failed our profession."

That was from Ian Huggett, in Chelsea, Quebec, who is also a conservation biologist.


FLIGHT Duration: 00:00:09
Album:ACOUSTIC EP/JUDGEMENT DAY
Label:DEMO
Persons/Roles:
JUDGEMENT DAY - COMPOSER
JUDGEMENT DAY - STRING TRIO

QUOTE/UNQUOTE: DOMINIQUE STRAUSS-KAHN ON ORGIES Duration: 00:00:49

A lot of things have been said about Dominique Strauss-Kahn. Now he has a thing or two to say for himself.

In an interview with the French magazine, Le Point, the former presidential hopeful has come to his own defence in the face of allegations of sexual assault, involvement in a prostitution ring and taking part in orgies. Well, at least the part about the orgies.

Here's what Mr. Strauss-Kahn had to say. Quote:

"There are many parties organized [for orgies] in Paris and you'd be surprised at the people you run into there. What's perhaps OK for a business leader or an athlete or a performing artist isn't for a politician. I was too out of sync with French society concerning [expectations of] political leaders. I misjudged."

Unquote.


BOOMERANG 2005 Duration: 00:00:17
Album:MONSIEUR GAINSBOURG REVISITED
Label:BARCLAY, 000017
Persons/Roles:
GONZALES - ADAPTOR/LYRICIST
SERGE GAINSBOURG - COMPOSER
FEIST - VOCALS
DANI - VOCALS
RENAUD LETANG - PRODUCER
GONZALES - PRODUCER
GONZALES - INSTRUMENTALS

FROM OUR ARCHIVES: WALTER CARSEN OBIT Duration: 00:03:01

For most of us, loving the arts means buying a ticket every once in a while -- or maybe splurging on a membership. For Walter Carsen, it meant underwriting entire ballet productions, campaigns, and tours -- and building and renovating theatres.

Walter Carsen -- one of Canada's most generous philanthropists and supporters of the arts -- died on Monday. He was one hundred years old.

When World War II broke in Europe, the German-born Carsen was in England. He was labelled an enemy alien and set to be deported to an internment camp. His ship docked in Halifax, Nova Scotia. But life in Canada proved to be good -- and Walter Carsen decided to stay.

He started a business: distributing optical supplies out of his basement. And business proved extremely good. But Mr. Carsen was less interested in making money than in spending it. He loved buying art -- and, as his fortune grew, donating huge sums of money for the performing arts.

For a long time, he made his donations anonymously. But when hard economic times hit the arts community, Mr. Carsen decided to step out of the shadows and urge other wealthy people to give generously as well.

On February seventh, 1995, Walter Carsen spoke with Peter Gzowski on the CBC program "Morningside". The subject was Mr. Carsen's million-dollar donation to the National Ballet of Canada for their production of "Romeo and Juliet". Here's part of their conversation, from our archives.


SECONDARY WALTZ Duration: 00:00:10
Album:MARK KNOPFLER: KILL TO GET CRIMSON
Label:MERCURY, 0251742073
Persons/Roles:
MARK KNOPFLER - COMPOSER
MARK KNOPFLER - WRITER
MARK KNOPFLER - SINGING

DIAMOND PLANET Duration: 00:06:05

As any good James Bond fan knows, diamonds are forever. But it turns out diamonds are also giant burning hot masses hanging out in space. At least, that's what some astronomers are saying.

New research from a joint American-French team suggests the planet "55 Cancri-e" -- which was discovered around 2005 -- is no ordinary planet. The astronomers believe they have uncovered the universe's most sparkly planet -- one made mostly of diamond.

Nikku Madhusudhan is with the team. He's a postdoctoral reseracher at Yale University.


G'BYES/FROM OUR ARCHIVES: Duration: 00:02:16

That far out story brings us to the end of As It Happens for this Thursday, October 11th .. coming up next, it's the news.But first, speaking of space: forty-four years ago today, Apollo Seven was launched into space. It was the first manned Apollo mission. And to commemorate that event, here is CBS anchorman Walter Cronkite reporting from Cape Kennedy Air Force Station, Florida -- on October eleventh, 1968.