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John Ralson Saul, part 2: PEN International

Last week, John Ralston Saul came in to our studio to speak with Sonali Karnick about his new novel Dark Diversions, his first in 15 years. One of the reasons why it's taken John Ralston Saul so long to complete it is his work as president of PEN International - and he's just signed on for a second term.

This is part two of Sonali Karnick's conversation with him.

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